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A Niner Watches Babylon 5 (NO spoilers, please)

As I recall there were a few instances where the wrong TV Guide notes were released and so an episode was shown out of intended order and possibly one changed due to an upcoming break in new episodes but JMS never seemed overly bothered by it. Even the artifact noted above wasn't really a big deal since the artifact wasn't seen for long or very central to the plot.

Jan
 
So, yes it was syndicated but it was also part of a network, and, iirc (help Jan!), PTEN screwed a with B5 in terms of notes and airing orders.

In terms of creative notes from the network, JMS said that those stopped completely after early Season 2, and he had a level of creative control on the show which would have been unheard of on a "real" network.

None of the airing order issues are really that big a deal. Season 1 was obviously aired in a different order from production order, but much of that was intentional. For example, they filmed "Infection" first, though they always intended to air "Midnight" first. They filmed the season finale in the middle of the season, just to give themselves more time on postproduction. There are enough standalones in Season 1, that the order largely isn't that important.
 
So, yes it was syndicated but it was also part of a network, and, iirc (help Jan!), PTEN screwed a with B5 in terms of notes and airing orders.

In terms of creative notes from the network, JMS said that those stopped completely after early Season 2, and he had a level of creative control on the show which would have been unheard of on a "real" network.

Ah, thanks. Can't keep most of this stuff in my head anymore. Too many projects taking up memory space right now.
 
So, yes it was syndicated but it was also part of a network, and, iirc (help Jan!), PTEN screwed a with B5 in terms of notes and airing orders.

In terms of creative notes from the network, JMS said that those stopped completely after early Season 2, and he had a level of creative control on the show which would have been unheard of on a "real" network.

None of the airing order issues are really that big a deal. Season 1 was obviously aired in a different order from production order, but much of that was intentional. For example, they filmed "Infection" first, though they always intended to air "Midnight" first. They filmed the season finale in the middle of the season, just to give themselves more time on postproduction. There are enough standalones in Season 1, that the order largely isn't that important.

I don't think it's a huge deal (though one day I will watch it in the "proper" order just to see) but like I said, it's unfortunate that a few thematically similar episodes get bunched up together when they were supposed to be quite a bit more spaced out.
 
There's a bit of a continuity error in season three when two episodes are flipped around, too. Your best bet is to follow the lurker's guide order (which smoothes out season one a little bit), but the DVD order won't be impossible to follow.

Now, Crusade, that's a totally different matter...
 
Wow, I'm up to the exact episode that Thegodben is up to.. TGB I have read all your reviews and found them most interesting. This is my first time through Bab5 too after hearing "if you love DS9 you MUST watch Bab5" for years. So far I've found it enjoyable, cheesy, amusing, cliched and offering some promise. I haven't found it as wonderful as years and years of hearing it praised led me to believe but I'm patient. It occurred to me that until I read your reviews I've actually never heard a bad word said about it.

G'Kar has a marvelous effete quality about him which I am enjoying. He has a Weyoun like delicacy (though not as pronounced).

Lando is indeed a cartoon character but he's made me laugh on more than one occasion. Truthfully my main quarrel with him is his appalling costume--couldn't they have made him look foppish and military without such a direct rip off of an old earth style? I do expect him to transcend his current role.

The Minbari are quite awesome. Attractive yet so sure of their innate superiority to the rest of us boors that they are ever off putting. I can't wait to learn more about them.

The humans are just dull in comparison :( I enjoy Ivanova and I have a deep suspicion about her which I won't mention here lest it be right and a spoiler. And speaking of spoliers I have read only TheGodBen's posts in this thread because I am determined to remain spoiler free. It is very difficult to not run off to google and look for the Bab5 version of memoryalpha and answer my gazillion questions but I will be strong. Luckily I have all 5 seasons on dvd so there won't be any horrible gaps in my viewing.

Thanks for the reviews TGB, it at least allows me to read about the show a teeny bit (and the reviews are good).
 
The B5 equivalent site is the Lurker's Guide. The episode section is set up so that the page for a given episode never reveals spoilers for future episodes, but it may highlight some questions you didn't notice.
 
The B5 equivalent site is the Lurker's Guide.

Well, this* is a literal equivalent, more or less, but youre right in that the Lurker's Guide would be very useful to new viewers generally.

*Almost goes without saying, but this is a link to lots and lots of spoilerly content. Approach at your peril.
 
When UPN gained ground and the WB was created, PTEN switched to primarily syndicating its remaining show, Babylon 5. This event was one of the reasons for the five-year arc being truncated in the fourth year and only the eleventh hour deal with TNT allowed for a fifth and final season.

True. A lot of people seem to think the "end at the fourth season/11th Hour TNT pick-up" was due to dickishness on the part of a network... when really it was the network distributing B5 was collapsing all-together.
 
True. A lot of people seem to think the "end at the fourth season/11th Hour TNT pick-up" was due to dickishness on the part of a network... when really it was the network distributing B5 was collapsing all-together.
More than that, even. The PTEN network basically ceased to exist after the *third* season but there were enough stations who agreed to carry B5 for WB to okay the fourth season. JMS was told then that he had to wrap it up in that final season.

Even then it all almost ended because somebody at WB neglected to let accounting know so they neglected to allocate funds for B5. After all, none of the other PTEN shows survived. JMS (and others) had to take out a *personal loan* to fund the first quarter pending getting paid back by WB in the next quarter. Talk about believing in what you're doing!

Jan
 
So, was the last episode GodBen watched Eyes? I have gotten lost. (I liked seeing Weyoun as a telepath.)

Sinclair was too one note for my book, and the actor was very wooden. He did not seem to have the shades of grey that I find so intriguing.

Even Delenn had developed more as a character, espcially when it was revealed that she secreted away the body to honor an old friend.

I began watching DS9 first and picked up B5 when it moved to TNT. I love them both, and really don't see them as terribly similar as some people suggest. They both take place on a space station and have characters named Dukhat. Other than that....
 
I began watching DS9 first and picked up B5 when it moved to TNT. I love them both, and really don't see them as terribly similar as some people suggest. They both take place on a space station and have characters named Dukhat. Other than that....


SPOLIERs!!!! (I never can figger out the tags)















Both stations used the "Casablanca in space" concept - hubs of travel for wanderers from far away, come to do good or ill. Dark and gritty was a common theme - something Trek had never done before.

Both stations were the centerpiece for a great interstellar war that ended anticlimactically. The enemies in both shows had shapeshifting/invisible agents that could hide among us.

Not to start THIS discussion, of course (:scream:), but my theory is that Paramount listened to jms' pitch, told him no, then handed somebody their notes and said "Make a version of this into a Trek show, but tweak it enough we don't get sued."

Then they kinda followed along and borrowed an idea here and there.

IMHO, of course.

But my philosophy is, in the end we got two great shows, so what the heck.
 
Wow, I'm up to the exact episode that Thegodben is up to.. TGB I have read all your reviews and found them most interesting. This is my first time through Bab5 too after hearing "if you love DS9 you MUST watch Bab5" for years. So far I've found it enjoyable, cheesy, amusing, cliched and offering some promise. I haven't found it as wonderful as years and years of hearing it praised led me to believe but I'm patient.
Remember the B5 first-timer's mantra; "It will get really good in season 2. Just keep going, there's only x episodes to go." ;) And if all else fails just remember that there'll be a kickass war at some point. At least I think there is, it might end up being a boring two-parter.

It occurred to me that until I read your reviews I've actually never heard a bad word said about it.
Oooh, that's quite the compliment. :lol:


A Voice in the Wilderness, Part 1 (***½)

There's a similar tone to this episode as there was in Signs and Portents, a feeling that something big is about to happen, although it's not quite as notable. The idea that something is alive on that hunk of rock I've seen in the background a dozen times is intriguing so I was interested in the attempts made to find out what was down there. Unfortunately what was down there was a bunch of science-fiction corridors and a big purple elevator shaft, but I had no doubt that the significance of this place would be explained in the second part.

Commander Greyshirt: 7

What Sinclair and Ivanova do find is an old alien man that has appeared in visions on the station, and that's my biggest problem with this episode, the visions were a very hokey science-fiction staple, it's a weird looking translucent alien calling for help. It doesn't take precognition to be able to tell what they're going to find down on the planet.

There's a b-story about the Red Faction rising up against the Earth Defence Force, which I found interesting because it gave us another insight into the workings of human governance. We also learn that the PsiCorps have a top secret base on the planet, and I wouldn't be surprised if that comes up in a later episode.

I'd like to talk about the humour on the show for a second because it is starting to grow on me. I'm not sure if this is because the writing is more polished than in the early episodes, or if the writers and directors are getting used to JMS's style, or if this is some form of Stockholm syndrome, but I found myself chuckling a few times in this episode. The two most obvious times would be Garibaldi in the elevator and Londo singing the Hokey Cokey, both of which raised a smile. Why do we teach children the Hokey Cokey anyway? :confused:

Although I must admit that I'm to getting tired of Ivanova's "I'm Russian..." schtick.

Overall the episode was interesting enough that I watched the next episode afterwards.


A Voice in the Wilderness, Part 2 (***)

Once again this season an episode suffers by having a poorly motivated antagonist, in this case there is two. The first is Captain Pierce, a man willing to put the lives of 250,000 people at stake in order to visit a planet that doesn't like him very much, and it displays this dislike by shooting at him and threatening to explode. I can buy into the fact that Earth Force really wants the technology down on the planet in order to strengthen their hand and prevent their empire from crumbling, particularly due to recent events on Mars, but ignoring all the evidence that the planet will explode because of his actions makes him appear too obtuse and unreasonable.

The second poorly motivated antagonist are the aliens that show up and demand control of the planet, their motivation is that they're a violent faction and they really want this technology for some reason. Once again Sinclair is the only rational party in this stand-off.

Another problem with this episode is that it is too obvious that Draal is going to take over running the planet because he is expendable and he served no purpose in part 1. I kept waiting for the episode to pull a surprise on me, but it didn't happen and by the end everything ended up as I had imagined it would.

The Garibaldi story in this episode helped it out, he's in a very sympathetic situation and said some things that that struck a chord with me, and I'm a shallow 20-something who hates everyone. Once again, it was obvious that Lisa would end up being married, but it was nice that the episode brought the epic events of a Mars uprising down to a believable human level.

Scott Bakula: 14
 
Hokey Pokey.
I hear it's one of Scott Bakula's favorite songs!

The interiors of the Great Machine on the planet were direct homage to Forbidden Planet.

And hey, ain't Lise freakin' gorgeous?! :drool:
We'll be seeing more of her, don't worry.
 
. The two most obvious times would be Garibaldi in the elevator and Londo singing the Hokey Cokey, both of which raised a smile. Why do we teach children the Hokey Cokey anyway? :confused:

Pokey. Hokey Pokey.


And we teach it to children so they know what it's all about!
 
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