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Heroes: "Brave New World" - 2/8/10 - Season (Series?) Finale

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  • Excellent

    Votes: 13 23.6%
  • Above average

    Votes: 21 38.2%
  • Average

    Votes: 14 25.5%
  • Below average

    Votes: 3 5.5%
  • Poor

    Votes: 4 7.3%

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i also thought they did a pretty good job casting an actress to play the older Charlie, not only did she look a lot like Jayma Mays with the big doe eyes and the red hair, but her inflection of how she talked on the show was damn near seamless too.

That was an amazing job of casting. I had to look closely to make sure they hadn't used CGI or makeup to somehow age the original actress . . . ..
That was K Callan who played Martha Kent on Lois & Clark. She was made up to look like an older Jayma Mays/Charlie, but it was still great casting.
 
This one was actually actually quite nice. Not perfect, but lots better than the rest of the season and most of the last two. Every character had something more or less meaningful to do and most of the remaining plot threads were tied up reasonably well.

But even though I really enjoyed this episode, I still hope the show won't be renewed. Or if it is, I might not tune back in. I think this ep. serves as a very decent series finale and I highly doubt the writers would be able to keep this quality up throughout the next season if they don't hire a completely new creative team.
 
And it was lucky that Doyle could play the Cello (just moving your fingers like that wouldn't necessarily create good music).
I want to know how he forced her to activate her ability. Her power wasn't "if you play the cello, they will come." Samuel showed her that she had to think about the person she wanted to come to her at the very least.
 
You know, they never followed up on Samuel's "It's not Claire who I'm after" bit.

I assume he needed HRG in order to fulfill his plan of 'creating a villain for everybody to rally around.' Although, that begs the question how he knew HRG wasn't just going to shoot him in the head with the sniper rifle...
 
I enjoyed the episode. Knepper's performance brought it up to excellent, but Sylar being a good guy brought it back down to above average.

I'm kind of disappointed the final fight was just some dirt moving between Samuel and Peter, but oh well.
 
The best episode of the season, which is not saying much, but I have to grade it an Excellent.

If there is a season 5, they'd better not revert Sylar back to evil again. This time keep him good for once!
 
You know, they never followed up on Samuel's "It's not Claire who I'm after" bit.

Pretty sure that meant Emma. She was, after all, the key to luring so many people to Samuel's intended slaughter of innocent civilians in Central Park. Well.... with a little help from Doyle, of course.
 
^ It seemed like Claire was to get to someone else, which I guess would be Noah as Snaploud posted. Not that the show has any sense of direction anyway. 18 episodes of Samuel talking about family and his great plan, and it's resolved with a ten second fight with Peter? And suddenly Samuel loses his powers because the carnies all left? Even though the carnies weren't around when he destroyed the mansion, the police station or the small town?

I loved the comment about Kristen Bell being scared out of her mind during the entire shoot (not wanting to touch him for fear of inadvertently causing his death).

The sad thing is, while Tobolowsky says isn't dissing the show, everything he points out about how it's put together reveals exactly why it's so crappy, such as how his character was explained to him.
 
I know she got him on a technicality since he didn't die, but what the hell Claire? What part of dying wish don't you understand?
 
The showrunners would never do it, but if Heroes were to come back next season, it would be interesting to see everything Noah warned about come true and have Claire be responsible for everything bad that happens to specials.

I think that's just what'll happen. She'll probably even cause a death or two (maybe they'll even stick!) But it'll be okay, because in the end everyone will forgive her, even the dead one's relatives, and her and her Dad will make up again. And then Hiro will really reveal to the world what they can all do, in the setup for Volume 7: "Coming of Age"

It'll be about bringing Nathan back to life and Sylar going on a search for his long lost son, while Hiro freezes time for three years in an attempt to grow that soul patch, much to Ando's dismay. Hero-Sylar will also almost fight Villain-Peter in a subway somewhere around episode 16, but a passing train will obscure most of it.
 
Quote for the day:

"If you take sci fi secrecy and calculated confusion to the furthest intersection on the horizon, you end up with the television series Heroes. I was thrilled to be a part of it for season two in the role of Bob Bishop, the man who could turn things to gold, but for the life of me I still have no idea what I was doing. And truly, I don't think anyone else had any more of a clue than I did. I came to believe that the madness was the method. Being on Heroes was like being in one of those comedies where the leading man wakes up hung over with a woman in his bed and a walrus in the bathtub, and he shakes his head and says, 'I did what?'" -- Stephen Tobolowsky, from his podcast series on /Film

His account of how Heroes was run during his time there really explains the end result. If you want to listen to it, it starts about halfway through the podcast. He points out how Heroes doesn't have an Act II or Act III, they just repeat Act I.

"HEROES: It's more than a burp and less than a crap" Stephen Tobolowsky
 
Distinctly average, which is a step up from the norm lately. And I think it works just fine as a series finale.

It might be interesting to see where the "specials are outed" scenario goes but that's the kind of story that is both complicated and nuanced and needs to be handled by very skilled writers, so errrr...if there's an S5, like an idiot I will feel compelled to watch it, and I just don't see what this bunch of writers are going to come up with that's worth watching.

And I'm really starting to feel that with Nathan's presumably final death, this show lost something vital. Not sure it's worth going on with the story now.

If there is an S5, we all know Sylar will go squirrely again in three...two...

it had some cool stuff. I liked Matt controlling Eli at the end...but I cant stand goody goody Sylar.

I can... somebody has to become that person in the future with the child who gets killed and goes nuclear on washington. evil wouldn't care if your child dies...

yes but I never bought his "redemption" for a second, it was so terribly done. Even worse was how easily guys like Peter and Matt accepted it.

You have to do a lot of filling in the blanks, and the writers really didn't give us the help they should have, and dramatized it fully so that it would make emotional sense as well as logical sense, but it does make at least logical sense...

1. Either because he's got Nathan in his noggin; has learned to be good from mind-linking with Nathan and Matt; or somehow Gabriel is now resurgent; spending three years alone in the Twilight Zone has caused Sylar to see the error of his ways (and we really are owed a more precise explanation of which of the three hypotheses I've put forward is responsible.)

2. Due to spending five years trapped alone with Sylar (which boggles the mind to fully comprehend), Peter has now bonded with the guy to such an extent that he fully accepts his goodness. Also, remember, Peter has direct access to Sylar's mind.

3. Matt also has direct access to Sylar's mind. Like Peter, he doesn't need to trust Sylar - he can know for certain whether he is good.

Of course, what Peter and Matt know is: he's good for now. They're still being lunkheaded to blindly trust that he'll continue to be good the minute they turn their backs. History has shown otherwise.
I do wish for a nice Peter/Sylar showdown though with no budget spared.

And THAT is the reason why they better do an S5. And why, like an idiot, I will watch it. :rommie:
 
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2. Due to spending five years trapped alone with Sylar (which boggles the mind to fully comprehend), Peter has now bonded with the guy to such an extent that he fully accepts his goodness. Also, remember, Peter has direct access to Sylar's mind.

Its called the stockholm syndrome.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stockholm%20syndrome

He wasn't held hostage by Sylar - in fact, Peter was holding both of them hostage. It was only when he was able to forgive Sylar for murdering Nathan that Peter's own subconscious freed both of them. Peter's a sick little puppy, definitely (torturing himself for not forgiving his brother's killer quickly enough?!?), but stockholm syndrome isn't to blame - he has a pre-existing tendency towards self-defeating stupidity bordering on masochism.

I thought one of the few highlights this season was the suggestion that Samuel's terrakinesis was the source of those horrific visions of disaster which nicely spanned the series in season 1 and 3.
Yeah they sure blew that one.

"If you take sci fi secrecy and calculated confusion to the furthest intersection on the horizon, you end up with the television series Heroes. I was thrilled to be a part of it for season two in the role of Bob Bishop, the man who could turn things to gold, but for the life of me I still have no idea what I was doing. And truly, I don't think anyone else had any more of a clue than I did. I came to believe that the madness was the method. Being on Heroes was like being in one of those comedies where the leading man wakes up hung over with a woman in his bed and a walrus in the bathtub, and he shakes his head and says, 'I did what?'" -- Stephen Tobolowsky, from his podcast series on /Film

I want that guy to write the show! I can accept that it's an incoherent mess. But it doesn't have to be boring. Make it surreal, insane, comic, horrifying, chaotic.
 
^People, People please, just because its a dramatic scene doesn't mean you cant do a little comedy in the background.

I'm going to go as far as to give this an Excellent minus the Peter Petrelli Nerf Factor minus the Sylar Super Nerf Factor = Average.
 
Loved the Charlie resolution. I had some strong Dr. Who vibes but maybe that was because of the timey wimey stuff. Ding. Hiro grew up just a little bit more from that experience also.

I really do think that was a subtle (for Heroes) homage to Doctor Who because Hiro met Charlie again in a hospital right before her death, they talked about her having a family despite missing a life with him, and most importantly because Charlie's granddaughter was named Sally. I thought it was delightful and wouldn't have had them resolve it any other way. :bolian:
 
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