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A Niner Watches Babylon 5 (NO spoilers, please)

A monocultural portrayal is not necessarily a bad thing - as it often (in real life) a perception issue. Many foreign cultures may appear to be monocultural, because we are only exposed to a very small population of that culture.

It is still a step up from the simplistic human attribute aliens, where is whole race can be described by a single human attribute. Trek has been a frequent sinner in this regard with logic (Vulcans), aggressive (Klingon), sneaky (Romulan), greedy (Ferengi), and the list goes on. This should not be confused with monocultural.
 
Eh, the bottom line is that as great as B5's aliens are, they're not the epitome of cultural studies. We see as much of them as we need to see in order to understand their part in the greater tapestry, and not a whole lot more.
 
In the long run, the Drazi have probably my favourite custom of all the innumerable species customs on B5. It involves colours, you know. ;)

It is still a step up from the simplistic human attribute aliens, where is whole race can be described by a single human attribute.

Yes, because the Minbari are not stoic; the Vorlons are not mysterious, the Narn are not aggrieved and the Centauri are not imperialists. Indeed I'd say the Klingons in particular got a pretty fair cultural dissection prior to Babylon 5, in TNG episodes like "Sins of the Father" and "Reunion." Their key word is more honour than aggressiveness there, and they're defiend as a basically feudal society that's part Viking and part Japanese.

Which is pretty equal to what B5 has to offer.
 
The episode ends with Sinclair introducing all the various faiths of Earth, a scene made laughable by the stereotyping done by the costuming department.

You thought that scene was laughable? :wtf: Wowzas.
It just looked a bit too much like a Village People audition queue.

I admired the fact that it was supposed to be a celebration of diversity, I'm pro-multiculturalism (except for the English), but having a line-up of all the various human religious/cultural groups wasn't a celebration, it was just a list of new words for the various alien races. What did Delenn learn about Catholics beyond their name? What did Londo learn about Muslims beyond the fact that he once met one that wore a turban? Maybe there was a party afterwards where the various human representatives explained their beliefs and traditions, but I didn't get to see it, and given the number of people in that queue I doubt that the aliens had enough time to learn about them all.

So it was a nice idea, but the execution left me wanting.

The problem is less the characters and more JMS's sense of humour. He is not good at telling jokes and any one of his characters can sacrifice whatever respect I had for them trying to set up a punchline.
Oh, that's a pity, I was promised this show was going to be very funny. :( Maybe the humour will grow on me?

This thread scares me. Five episodes in and we're on page 8? :eek:

My count reads page 21.
It's page 13 on mine.
I'm on page 17. (EDIT: Since I started writing this post it has now moved on to page 18.) No matter what number you see, it's still astonishing considering the fact that I've only watched 7 episodes so far.


Mind War (***½)

At last, a solidly good outing and one which clearly seems to be setting the stage for the later seasons. What's more, this episode has a guest appearance by an actor I know from a popular science fiction series of my youth. That's right, Scott Bakula of Quantum Leap fame shows up as Bester the PsiCop, and he lets us know that he can be much more than a likeable everyman who secretly enjoys it when he gets to wear women's underwear, he can also be a shadowy figure with a slightly malevolent twist.

Disregarding a somewhat hammy performance by the actor playing Ironheart, I enjoyed this plot. At the beginning I feared he was going to be a hammy villain that brought danger and destruction to the station (Infection lowered my expectations) so I was pleased to see the episode go the other route and have him be the the good guy trying to escape an oppressive regime. When he explains the situation to Talia and Sinclair I was pleasantly impressed, creating a person with telekinetic abilities so that he can perform assassinations is very devious, and I am very interested in learning more about the PsiCore. (By the way, in the episode my sister showed me all those years back I remember that there were "subliminal" messages telling people to love the PsiCore, so I am aware that they will be up to more shady dealings in the future.)

The story's biggest weakness is in how it ends; Ironheart becomes some flashing lights, which is the traditional science fiction way of showing that somebody has moved onto a higher plane of existence. As George Harrison might say, "It's been done", but it had never been done in such a cheesy way, laughable early CG included. The ending is also a bit too clean as Bester agrees to bend the record of what happened so that there wont be any consequences.

By the way, Voyager totally ripped this episode off in The Gift. I can't believe the the writers of a Star Trek series would stoop so low!

As for the b-plot, I'm not sure what to make of it. I much prefer G'Kar in this episode than in the last few, he could almost be mistaken for a realistic interpretation of a person. As for the giant spaceship Catherine saw, I'm stuck between thinking it could have relevance further down the line and thinking that it was a McGuffin. When I first saw it I thought it might be an early hint of the existence of the Shadows that I keep hearing about, and G'Kar's speech at the end doesn't rule that out, but it could just be me over-analysing something of no great significance. I guess I'll find out eventually.
 
Oh, that's a pity, I was promised this show was going to be very funny. :( Maybe the humour will grow on me?
There are different forms of humor throughout. Some you'll probably like, some you probably won't and others may leave you vaguely uncomfortable.

What's more, this episode has a guest appearance by an actor I know from a popular science fiction series of my youth. That's right, Scott Bakula of Quantum Leap fame shows up as Bester the PsiCop, and he lets us know that he can be much more than a likeable everyman who secretly enjoys it when he gets to wear women's underwear, he can also be a shadowy figure with a slightly malevolent twist.
Er...definitely *not* Scot Bakula or Quantum Leap. Try Walter Koenig from Trek TOS.

I guess I'll find out eventually.
Exactly. From the sounds of things you've got a good memory so you'll eventually see what was set up ahead of time and which were red herrings.

Jan
 
I was waiting for your review of "Mind War." It and the upcoming "And the Sky Full of Stars" are the first truly good episodes of B5, in my mind. It's unfortunate that they take so relatively long to get there, but they are pretty high quality. I do agree with you about the ending, though, it does take things down a slight notch, especially so soon after the confrontation with the PsiCops. It's just a very cheesy and unfortunately standard SF way out for the story.

Oh well, nothing's perfect. ;)

And as for the B-plot, it's not super-important to the episode, but as Jan said, it's worth noting down in your memory. And incidentally, he was joking about the Scott Bakula thing, Jan, that's his way. ;)
 
Well, now I'm relieved, TGB liked "Mind War"! I guess he's gonna enjoy the show after all... especially when he got past this season.
 
By the way, Voyager totally ripped this episode off in The Gift. I can't believe the the writers of a Star Trek series would stoop so low!

I'm so glad someone else noticed this. I was screaming at the TV the one and only time I saw "The Gift."
 
As for the b-plot, I'm not sure what to make of it. I much prefer G'Kar in this episode than in the last few, he could almost be mistaken for a realistic interpretation of a person.
His speech at the end about everyone not being who they appear is the speech I was vaguely referring to earlier. It was drilled into me by Fivers as a Big Message. See? Depth and Complexity because sometimes G'Kar is not just a comical scowling jackass.

Oh, that's a pity, I was promised this show was going to be very funny. :(

Like Jan's rather literal-minded slip-up, B5's best humour is unintentional. ;)

But no, the show isn't exactly a laugh riot when compared to Firefly or Farscape, say. I guess there's more humour than Battlestar Galactica... though Tigh's quip about paper shortages is funnier than anything B5 does.
 
Oh, that's a pity, I was promised this show was going to be very funny. :( Maybe the humour will grow on me?

There is great hilarity to come, don't worry.
Londo can be quite funny, especially playing off G'Kar (and vice versa). Susan actually becomes a great source of humorous dialog later. And wait till you meet Marcus!

btw, it's Psi Corps.
 
Er...definitely *not* Scot Bakula or Quantum Leap. Try Walter Koenig from Trek TOS.

Looks like TheGodBen's sense of humor may leave you vaguely uncomfortable. :p
:lol: I *thought* he must be joking until the comment about women's clothes. Then I began to doubt.

And incidentally, he was joking about the Scott Bakula thing, Jan, that's his way. ;)
:alienblush: I sorta thought so but when in doubt, I'd rather treat it seriously and get laughed at than laugh and upset somebody.

Ask anybody...I take B5 *far* too seriously. But then, that's my job (literally). :techman:

Jan
 
But in a good way. ;)

Thanks. Mostly Harmless at any rate. :)

Back to the episode, there was only one notable difference between the script and the episode:

Sinclair and Talia were on the way to meet with Ironheart while Garibaldi and Ivanova listened in via Sinclair's link. Once Talia and Sinclair reach Ironheart's quarters he destroys the link, much to Ivanova & Garibaldi's dismay.

Jan
 
Yes, because the Minbari are not stoic; the Vorlons are not mysterious, the Narn are not aggrieved and the Centauri are not imperialists. Indeed I'd say the Klingons in particular got a pretty fair cultural dissection prior to Babylon 5, in TNG episodes like "Sins of the Father" and "Reunion." Their key word is more honour than aggressiveness there, and they're defiend as a basically feudal society that's part Viking and part Japanese.

This is part of what I was trying to drive at in my earlier post. TNG had one or two episodes per season about the Klingons or the Romulans, but the Narns and Centauri were developed by having them appear in the show much more. You see most of the Klingons on the same wavelength about honor and duty, but in B5 (hoping that character names don't count as spoilers) Refa doesn't come from the same place as Londo in his thinking; the Minbari would not all be described as stoic (Neroon). Anyway, I'll steer clear of any more discussion of this since it might verge into spoiler territory fairly quickly.
 
The difference between Londo and Refa isn't much different than the difference between Worf and Gowron.
 
I believe there is more of a difference and had some specific points in mind, but I didn't want to get in to those specifics because of the spoiler-free zone here. Better to talk about that when we get to those episodes.
 
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