"The Host" Ended In A Big Fat Copout

[Klaitu]

I don't have much to add to this thread, other than I felt the idea of the Trill was interesting, but the romance portion of it was entirely uninteresting.

As to this vague slightly lesbian debate thing going on.. heterosexual people find the same sex unattractive, as opposed to bisexual or homosexual people who do find the same sex attractive. Since Beverly is heterosexual, I don't find her choice odd in the least.

Speaking as a heterosexual person, the idea of.. getting it on with someone of the same sex is quite repulsive to me personally, though I do not begrudge other people for whatever it is they enjoy.

For all we know, the Trill guy in his new host was no longer attracted to Beverly either.

 

[Guy Gardener]

You ever wonder if Vina and Chris pike turn off the illusions now and then and just do it straight as deformed monsters?

If Bev truly only loved this guy unconditionally if he had a penis, no matter the penis, then she should have surreptitiously killed the host and demanded a new host.

I mean, that's crazy for sure, but at least it's love.

That's the problem. It's not the plumbing, it's the loving.

At least I'm guessing she was in love?

how many times does bev or Odan mention lovein the episode?

CRUSHER: What is that supposed to mean?
TROI: Beverly, you're in love.
CRUSHER: Sometimes I wish you weren't so empathic

CRUSHER: I feel I know him better than I've known anyone in my life. Am I being foolish? I don't think so. And yet, I've only known him for a couple of weeks. Of course, that could be infatuation, but I am a grown up and I know the difference between love and infatuation. All I know is, I haven't felt this way for a long time.
TROI: And you like it.
CRUSHER: I like it.

ODAN: I will stay safe, Doctor Beverly. I have good reason to return. I've researched Earth customs. This flower is given to express love.
(a single red rose)
CRUSHER: Yes, it is.

CRUSHER: I don't know who you are.
RIKER: You must understand, whoever I seem to be, I am Odan, who loved you. That has not changed. I still love you. I can't help that. If this causes you pain, I will suppress it, I will keep my distance. Doctor Beverly, I would never hurt you.

TROI: May I join you?
CRUSHER: You know, Deanna, the first man I ever loved unconditionally was named Stefan. He was a soccer player, and I would watch him as he would race down the field and I thought my heart would stop because he was so beautiful. We married and had three children. Twin boys, Andrew and Alexander, and then later a little girl, Jennifer. Stefan became an artist, very famous. He created huge, breathtaking, metal sculptures. He came to adore me as much as I worshipped him. In my daydreams at least. Stefan was eleven and I was eight. He never even knew I existed. Oh, Deanna, I loved Odan. I'm sure of it. I had no doubts, no fears, but what it was I loved? His eyes? His hands? His mouth? They're gone. If that was all it was, I should mourn him and go on. But it was more than that. I felt completely free with him. Unguarded. At ease with myself. There were so many things that made him special to me. Where are they? Are they still here, alive in Will Riker? I look at Will and I see someone I've known for years. A kind of brother. But inside, is he really Odan? Help me, please.

CRUSHER: I feel his pull. It's very powerful. I wish he'd never come on this ship.
TROI: Don't wish that, Beverly. You can't be open to love if you don't risk pain.
CRUSHER: I don't care. I'd give anything not to feel the way I do now. He's here, isn't he?

KAREEL: Yes. It seems as though everything has turned out for the best. And yes, I am still Odan, and I still love you. I cannot imagine that ever changing.

CRUSHER: Perhaps it is a human failing, but we are not accustomed to these kinds of changes. I can't keep up. How long will you have this host? What would the next one be? I can't live with that kind of uncertainty. Perhaps, someday, our ability to love won't be so limited.

8 times.

Meh?

Have none of you seen Some like it hot?

 

[Klaitu]

You ever wonder if Vina and Chris pike turn off the illusions now and then and just do it straight as deformed monsters?

I can hear the foreplay now..

*beep* *beep*.....

*beep*

*beep*

*beeeeeeep*

*BEEEEEEPPPPP*

 

[DonIago]

Well, I'll just reiterate that for me the issue isn't -that- Bev rejects Odan, but the summary way in which she does so, especially given she purported to be in love with him. I just would have liked to see a bit more evident thought put into it on her part.

Then again, I once had a blind date where they shot me down within 10 seconds of meeting me and wandered off, so maybe I'm particularly sensitive to such things. At least give someone the time of day before you shut them down.