I don't know how I feel about Torchwood
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I just wanted to say that I love how (over the course of three pages) you went from
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I reckon many of us made the same transformation, but it's fun to see.
*trys really hard to hold himself back*
please tell me you think that Neighbours is one of the best continuing drama series of all time.
ok it has now crossed my mind, you might be trying to wind me up, please tell me you are?
ok, im not going to engage you in conversation about this.
Why not? I've explained why I didn't think it was as great as people say. It's not a case of me trying to be antagonistic. I'd very much like to know what you liked about it that I seem to have missed.
That said, one thing I did like that I forgot to mention was
That said, one thing I did like that I forgot to mention was
seeing Captain Jack die such a lot. I could watch him getting killed all day.
its been a while since I wrote a review of CoE, so I might be rusty.
Political intrigue for one there is no better drama, than watching the politicians talk about how best to give the children to 456, and even better which children to give, and how to spin it to the public. Never mind them discussing how it should not be there own children.
Moving on the death of Ianto Jones is the best and most deaths in the Whoverse, maybe even more so than the heart breaking ending of Jack as you mentioned killing his own grandson, you know he would do it, but it still breaks your heart to see it happen, and it breaks his heart to do it.
I dont know how you watched it, but if you watched it on the BBC One schedule (its possible you did) assuming you did, I just do not see how you could not have found of it edge of your seat & totally engrossing stuff.
Political intrigue for one there is no better drama, than watching the politicians talk about how best to give the children to 456, and even better which children to give, and how to spin it to the public. Never mind them discussing how it should not be there own children.
Moving on the death of Ianto Jones is the best and most deaths in the Whoverse, maybe even more so than the heart breaking ending of Jack as you mentioned killing his own grandson, you know he would do it, but it still breaks your heart to see it happen, and it breaks his heart to do it.
I dont know how you watched it, but if you watched it on the BBC One schedule (its possible you did) assuming you did, I just do not see how you could not have found of it edge of your seat & totally engrossing stuff.
I just wanted to say that I love how (over the course of three pages) you went from
to
I reckon many of us made the same transformation, but it's fun to see.
I kinda made the opposite transformation. I enjoyed much of Season 1 and especially Season 2 but I'm not sure I can ever watch them again after being so thoroughly traumatized by "Children of Earth." (Maybe it will be therapeutic to see Owen & Tosh alive again. I don't know.)
I think Jack died more times in "Children of Earth" than he did in all of Seasons 1 & 2 combined.
Also, it's a testament to how much this series gets under your skin when Ianto's death was probably one of the less depressing things that happened.
One thing that surprised me was, when that civil servant killed his family to prevent them from being taken by the 456, they closed the door and didn't let us see it. Under other circumstances, I would expect and probably applaud that artistic choice. The director usually doesn't want things to get too disturbing. However, with "Children of Earth," that ship had already sailed! It seemed like an out of place moment; the one time that "Children of Earth" flinches and plays it safe.
Also, it's a testament to how much this series gets under your skin when Ianto's death was probably one of the less depressing things that happened.
One thing that surprised me was, when that civil servant killed his family to prevent them from being taken by the 456, they closed the door and didn't let us see it. Under other circumstances, I would expect and probably applaud that artistic choice. The director usually doesn't want things to get too disturbing. However, with "Children of Earth," that ship had already sailed! It seemed like an out of place moment; the one time that "Children of Earth" flinches and plays it safe.
I think political intrigue is putting it a bit strongly. Personally, I found the cabinet discussion fairly reasonable. If you have to give up 10% of the children, you run through the options of how to choose. What really did ruin it was how they then took great pains to make the PM look like an obvious bastard by telling Frobisher to put his children up for "inoculation" (or however it worked). I will say that I think Capaldi's performance was the best thing about the whole CoE (once I got over seeing him as he is in The Thick of It).
As for Ianto Jones, I couldn't care less. As I said, I've seen enough Torchwood before, and I am familiar with the characters, and that was the least moving thing ever. Watching Jack cradling him while the sad music played was irritatingly long. But then, they had 5 hours to fill...
As for how I watched it...well I watched it yesterday on the computer. I'm not sure what difference it makes.
As I said, it felt like they started with an idea for the ending and worked backwards. And it doesn't really hold water.
I just thought of something even more disturbing than "Children of Earth"-- "Children of Earth" from the perspective of the Sarah Jane characters. They should do a novel.
I do think Gwen's speech in Day 5 is a pretty good (if arbitrary) explanation for why the Doctor doesn't come in and save the day. For gods' sake, if we ever needed the Doctor, now would have been the time.
I also think it would have been interesting to see how the child round-ups were playing out in other countries.
I do think Gwen's speech in Day 5 is a pretty good (if arbitrary) explanation for why the Doctor doesn't come in and save the day. For gods' sake, if we ever needed the Doctor, now would have been the time.
I also think it would have been interesting to see how the child round-ups were playing out in other countries.
Err, well that's a difficult thing to nail down. But CoE wasn't really it. The characters weren't engaging, it should have been cut down by two hours, and the plot and resolution weren't without flaws.
I'm not saying it was completely awful, but I find it a long way from perfect as most of you seem to see it.
Wouldn't the SJA children be too old to be affected?
^Perhaps. But I still would like to see how Sarah Jane & the kids would react to what was happening and see what they were doing to try to stop it.
reasonable maybe, but still shocking to watch
wamdue and others, there is no reason to pile on to USS Bones. The poster has at least watched the CoE, and has given an informed opinion. Just because you disagree with someone's opinion does not mean they are wrong, and it certainly doesn't mean they should be attacked (however mildly) for their opinion.
For the record, I liked CoE, but why should that give me the right to condemn someone who disagrees?
Think about it. You're here discussing a spin-off of a series that was canceled twice. It is, at best, niche programming. You are the minority.
For the record, I liked CoE, but why should that give me the right to condemn someone who disagrees?
Think about it. You're here discussing a spin-off of a series that was canceled twice. It is, at best, niche programming. You are the minority.
Yeah, I thought about going the whole how-dare-you-what's-wrong-with-you route, then I thought, what the hell, he gave solid reasons as to why he didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't mind knowing what he does think is great drama, but it's okay.
I like to think we're a bit more civilised than Outpost Gallifrey or the TrekXI forum here.
I like to think we're a bit more civilised than Outpost Gallifrey or the TrekXI forum here.
this TV show that has been cancelled twice is not the best way to describe Doctor Who, it would be better to call it the icon of British TV & British society that it is.
You are right that USS Bones has at least watched it unlike some on this thread who I wont mention, but I hate to think that I was attacking him/her in anyway.
Still he did say that there were better episodes of Neighbours, that seem to be going OTT
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Never seen it, just understand it's some soap opera type show. Also, it crossed over with Doctor Who way back in the day ... Dimensions in Time and all that.
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