What a terrible finale! *Spoilers*

[Anna Yolei]

Making the finale somekind of "baton passing back to TNG" exercise pretty much ruined it for me. Having Arik Soong (who was at least a boné fide and unusual ENT character) was about as much of a nod as fans needed in that direction frankly. I'm sure if you'd worked within the Trek factory back in 2005, TNG were definitely the glory days of high ratings and massive media interest.

This is actually something I liked about the episode. The final episode of Enterprise was, well, greater than just the final episode of Enterprise - it was the conclusion to a whole era of Star Trek. What we now and then called the Berman era, because Rick was there was a producer from TNG's first season all the way to ENT's final year.

It made sense, then, for the episode to reference to popular highlight of those years, which was TNG - good or bad, all the series that followed were merely riding the dwindling tidal wave and goodwill spurred by TNG's popularity until there was, in the end, nothing left.

1)If that's the case, why not reference DS9 and VOy, too? They aren't what the general populace think of when they hear Star Trek, but they too have their fans nonetheless.

2)There's a slight throw-back, and there's taking over the whole damn ending. The references to "All good things" and "The next generation!" were just flat-out insulting, IMO. The writers meant well, no doubt, but did they ever consider the possibility that not every Trek fan loved TNG (Yes, really) and that not every ENT fan was familiar with TNG and wanted a finale that was about the show they did know?

Fact is, heavy mainstream interest had long since died well before the finale. Some would argue it died even before Enterprise's creation. And frankly, both B&B and Paramount's chase to capture the glory days of TNG led ET and VOY before it in a downward spiral.

If we needed that much screen time dedicated to any other Trek show in a finale episode, it should have been TOS, hands down.

 

[Mach5]

If we needed that much screen time dedicated to any other Trek show in a finale episode, it should have been TOS, hands down.

F#ck yeah! They could have used Spock Prime or something, like they did in ST XI.

Like I said before, TATV is a finest possible example of a lack of inspiration. What bothers me the most is that people with inspiration were there, but they were not allowed to contribute.

It almost feels like the B&B's had this selfish need to take ENT down with them.

And as wrong as this may sound, I still feel satisfaction over Berman's ST XI concept being ditched by Paramount. As good as Jendressen's script may have been, having a Romulan War story without the ENT crew would have been just another way of insulting ENT fans.

 

[Hober Mallow]

I used to occasionally hang out on the Trekweb bb. Back before the series even premiered, the fans there would joke that the final episode would be the TNG crew on the holodeck. Four years later, the joke became the actual series finale.

 

[ALF]

Note to the mods - why not open something like "The Official TATV bash-o-rama" thread and make it sticky, considering the frequency of TATV threads popping up?

I've suggested this before too... I think generally something so negative may go against the grain.

Also, believe it or not some people do like this episode. I would have been fine with it, except for the Trip thing... making no sense killing him off if the series continued into season 5.

Another topic I'd like to see stickied is the Season Five thread... there's lots of images and story ideas to provide conversation for it. And that's another thread that pops up like a weed every few weeks.

I used to occasionally hang out on the Trekweb bb. Back before the series even premiered, the fans there would joke that the final episode would be the TNG crew on the holodeck. Four years later, the joke became the actual series finale.

Tell me about it. When I read the spoilers for TATV, I thought maybe it was all a trick.

 

[pookha]

a lot of the finale just dosnt make sense.
not just in context with pegasus but with the contradictions within the series itself and just story telling.

by the time of the finale braga was more concerned with threshold and to me had lost connection with the enterprise characters.

he took an old script he and berman had come up with the prior year or an outline of one depending on who you read; and updated it.

there are some glitches in it that makes one wonder just how much effort he made in making the two mesh together.

and the choice of pegasus is just bizarre.

 

[Guardian Bob]

I might sound like a cranky Enterprise fan, but I really don't think of this being canon and don't think of it as such.

 

[ChristopherPike]

On a lighter note...

How awesome is your avatar, Mach5?

"Go on, Porthos... Bite that Scotsman! Bite him!"

 

[I am not Spock]

If they had to do a 'baton passing' I think I should have gone full circle, and gone back to TOS. They already had the Constitution class sets from 'In A Mirror Darkly'!

 

[Joel_Kirk]

If they had to do a 'baton passing' I think I should have gone full circle, and gone back to TOS. They already had the Constitution class sets from 'In A Mirror Darkly'!

I agree...

I think it has been mentioned a couple of times that an 'older' Archer sets eyes on a Constitution-class vessel in his final days...

A true finale, showing the crew parting ways, and Archer seeing what his mission spawned...would have been a bit better...

 

[Voyagerian]

The 'sacrifice', while noble, and fitting, stunk, as I am a longtime Trip fan. Thanks to Andy Mangels, and his co-writer, for 'fixing' that one, in the novel 'The Good That Men Do'...I like Will and Deanna, don't get me wrong-he's one of my faves on TNG, and always pulled for those two-but the focus was taken from the gang by their presence overmuch. After all, this was STE's swan song. The rescue of Shran's daughter was okay, I guess..I like that sardonic Andorian, but maybe something a little stronger, stake-wise, as TNG had, DS, and Voyager....and I personally would have liked to hear Jon's speech-that is, the first few words of it-after all, this would no doubt go down as an important address, considering all that Archer did to help forge the Coalition-cum-Federation...so I came up with my own 'version', anyhoo...I did like the end scene with Jon, T'Pol, and Phlox, the hug for his longtime first officer, that was a warm moment, as she looked up at her grinning captain....I would have LOVED to see Jon being offered command of a 'Warp-8 starship' or etc that was referred to by Malcolm or Travis looking down on the whole scene...but, if you get a close look at the Archer bio on the terminal of the Defiant's captain's quarters in ''Mirror Darkly'', we see he goes on to other things-yet still deservedly so.

 

[Mach5]

but, if you get a close look at the Archer bio on the terminal of the Defiant's captain's quarters in ''Mirror Darkly'', we see he goes on to other things-yet still deservedly so.

That bio is, as said before, not considered hard canon. ST XI, however, is, meaning Archer remained in, or returned to Starfleet.

 

[Voyagerian]

Okay-dokey, and, fine by me, on both points...I loved that Jon got a mention-and that he was still ranked so-in the film, which I saw twice, and like.

 

[Mach5]

Okay-dokey, and, fine by me, on both points...I loved that Jon got a mention-and that he was still ranked so-in the film, which I saw twice, and like.

Now if only JJ and the boys would throw us a bone in the sequel, and somehow mention Trip as one of the designers of the Constitution class...

 

[Voyagerian]

Okay-dokey, and, fine by me, on both points...I loved that Jon got a mention-and that he was still ranked so-in the film, which I saw twice, and like.

Now if only JJ and the boys would throw us a bone in the sequel, and somehow mention Trip as one of the designers of the Constitution class...

THAT would be awesome, wouldn't it? So, did you ever read the book I mentioned...with Larry Marvick helping a certain elder engineer along....

 

[Mach5]

Okay-dokey, and, fine by me, on both points...I loved that Jon got a mention-and that he was still ranked so-in the film, which I saw twice, and like.

Now if only JJ and the boys would throw us a bone in the sequel, and somehow mention Trip as one of the designers of the Constitution class...

THAT would be awesome, wouldn't it? So, did you ever read the book I mentioned...with Larry Marvick helping a certain elder engineer along....

Of course I did. That's why I mentioned this.

 

[Voyagerian]

Me thought so. *Writes 'Captain Obvious' on forehead. LOL. Boy, I've been posting nonstop for hours...I need a Chef special of some kind to replenish...eh, what the heck, it's fun. Long live Trip Tucker-fellow Southerner, and engineer extraordinairre...

 

[Guardian Bob]

Now if only JJ and the boys would throw us a bone in the sequel, and somehow mention Trip as one of the designers of the Constitution class...

THAT would be awesome, wouldn't it? So, did you ever read the book I mentioned...with Larry Marvick helping a certain elder engineer along....

Of course I did. That's why I mentioned this.

I think its almost Enterprise's revenge that it exists intact in both realities, the prime and the alternate.

 

[Mach5]

I think its almost Enterprise's revenge that it exists intact in both realities, the prime and the alternate.

Well, now that you mentioned it...

 

[Guardian Bob]

I think its almost Enterprise's revenge that it exists intact in both realities, the prime and the alternate.

Well, now that you mentioned it...

Thats so awesome. Thanks! Archer rules.

 

[Voyagerian]

Yes, he does!....(whisper)...alongside Kath n' Jim....