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overated SCIFI movies

This thread should have been entitled "Sci Fi movies you don't like" since an awful lot of posters here don't seem to care that a film must be well rated before it can be deemed overrated. There are an awful lot of films here that were never rated by a majority of filmgoers.
 
This thread should have been entitled "Sci Fi movies you don't like" since an awful lot of posters here don't seem to care that a film must be well rated before it can be deemed overrated. There are an awful lot of films here that were never rated by a majority of filmgoers.
Yeah, I said the same thing (albeit in greater depth) and everyone ignored me. :p
 
This thread should have been entitled "Sci Fi movies you don't like" since an awful lot of posters here don't seem to care that a film must be well rated before it can be deemed overrated. There are an awful lot of films here that were never rated by a majority of filmgoers.
Yeah, I said the same thing (albeit in greater depth) and everyone ignored me. :p
Yeah, I said the same thing (albeit in a much more sarcastic way) and everyone ignored me. :scream:
 
Star Trek The Motion Picture was boring as heck! I have never watched it again.

2001 A Space Odyessy - BORING!

Sunshine - Made no sense at the end. Waste of money.

Alien - Boring. Aliens was waaaay better.

A Clockwork Orange - I still dont have a clue what this crappy movie was about.
 
This thread should have been entitled "Sci Fi movies you don't like" since an awful lot of posters here don't seem to care that a film must be well rated before it can be deemed overrated. There are an awful lot of films here that were never rated by a majority of filmgoers.
Yeah, I said the same thing (albeit in greater depth) and everyone ignored me. :p
Yeah, I said the same thing (albeit in a much more sarcastic way) and everyone ignored me. :scream:

Luckily some of us understood...there have been some interesting candidates..

Rob
 
However, one can read the Jesus theme into tons of storiesm including Tron, if one thinks about it for a half second (the user who walks amongst us, then sacrifices himself and ascends). When I saw The Matrix I was struck by how it almost added up to something, how it got near to talking about something of substance, but in the end it didn't, focused as it was on its bad-assery. Even when Neo has his final revelation and knows he's the One, instead of some transcendent moment he takes the time to tear apart a what is, after all, a computer program: Agent Smith. The lesson of his transcendence is he can kick the phony world's ass?

It read as total wish-fulfillment to me. Think about it. Neo is a lowly computer hacker by night who lives in a shitty apartment and slums away for a nameless corporation in a cubicle by day. Then one day he wakes up to find out that none of this is real. In fact, he's actually the savior of mankind which is being hunted down and eaten (?) by killer robots, and with the power of the Matrix can suddenly dodge bullets, fire with expert marksmanship, and fly. And this is read as deep? It has about as much depth as Total Recall, but at least that film was self-aware enough to admit that it was just a wish-fulfillment fantasy, rather than make constant claims of philosophical depth like the Wachowski Brothers.
 
Ok, I'll bite. What's its theme?
Mankind's quest for enlightenment/salvation. The movie follows one man as he realizes this quest in accordance with what eastern philosophies and western religions have to say about the subject. Our central character, like everyone else, is trapped in the world. He is then pulled out and shown the true nature of the world that he's been living in. Having seen that world for what it really is, he is no longer controlled by it. He's then free to move in and out of it with full knowlege and mastery over it. He even takes on the task of bringing others to the same realization. It's a retelling of the story of Buddha, Jesus and other such figures.
That's a pretty cogent stab at describing the theme, and certainly one of the better attempts I've seen at it. If it's original, I applaud you on it.

However, one can read the Jesus theme into tons of storiesm including Tron, if one thinks about it for a half second (the user who walks amongst us, then sacrifices himself and ascends). When I saw The Matrix I was struck by how it almost added up to something, how it got near to talking about something of substance, but in the end it didn't, focused as it was on its bad-assery. Even when Neo has his final revelation and knows he's the One, instead of some transcendent moment he takes the time to tear apart a what is, after all, a computer program: Agent Smith. The lesson of his transcendence is he can kick the phony world's ass?

I'm not say mine's the only reading of it, but that's what I walked away from it with the one and only time I sat through it.

It read as total wish-fulfillment to me. Think about it. Neo is a lowly computer hacker by night who lives in a shitty apartment and slums away for a nameless corporation in a cubicle by day. Then one day he wakes up to find out that none of this is real. In fact, he's actually the savior of mankind which is being hunted down and eaten (?) by killer robots, and with the power of the Matrix can suddenly dodge bullets, fire with expert marksmanship, and fly. And this is read as deep? It has about as much depth as Total Recall, but at least that film was self-aware enough to admit that it was just a wish-fulfillment fantasy, rather than make constant claims of philosophical depth like the Wachowski Brothers.
The whole journey from bondage to enlightenment through the realization that the world is an illusion is very much there in great detail. Neo's journey wasn't about indulging in a fantasy, it was about breaking out of one. The world in the matrix wasn't real and he got to see that. The end result was that he became a truely free man. I didn't have to look for that message or come to any conclusion. It was staring me in the face. They lifted all the basics right from religion and especially from eastern philosophy and wrapped it up in the guise of a scifi/action movie.

Perhaps your thoughts about the movie constitute an example of what I mentioned upthread. Maybe the action/scifi/cool factor elements made it more difficult for the message to come through in a direct and meaningful way.

The "wish fulfillment" and "kicking ass" viewpoints are still good ones though. Wanting to be a great hero and/or wanting to acquire power to do impressive things are also issues in religion and eastern thought. People often see those things when they look at those regarded as heroes, saviors or spiritual masters. They're also reasons people embark on the spiritual journey themselves.
 
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Mankind's quest for enlightenment/salvation. The movie follows one man as he realizes this quest in accordance with what eastern philosophies and western religions have to say about the subject. Our central character, like everyone else, is trapped in the world. He is then pulled out and shown the true nature of the world that he's been living in. Having seen that world for what it really is, he is no longer controlled by it. He's then free to move in and out of it with full knowlege and mastery over it. He even takes on the task of bringing others to the same realization. It's a retelling of the story of Buddha, Jesus and other such figures.
That's a pretty cogent stab at describing the theme, and certainly one of the better attempts I've seen at it. If it's original, I applaud you on it.

However, one can read the Jesus theme into tons of storiesm including Tron, if one thinks about it for a half second (the user who walks amongst us, then sacrifices himself and ascends). When I saw The Matrix I was struck by how it almost added up to something, how it got near to talking about something of substance, but in the end it didn't, focused as it was on its bad-assery. Even when Neo has his final revelation and knows he's the One, instead of some transcendent moment he takes the time to tear apart a what is, after all, a computer program: Agent Smith. The lesson of his transcendence is he can kick the phony world's ass?

I'm not say mine's the only reading of it, but that's what I walked away from it with the one and only time I sat through it.

It read as total wish-fulfillment to me. Think about it. Neo is a lowly computer hacker by night who lives in a shitty apartment and slums away for a nameless corporation in a cubicle by day. Then one day he wakes up to find out that none of this is real. In fact, he's actually the savior of mankind which is being hunted down and eaten (?) by killer robots, and with the power of the Matrix can suddenly dodge bullets, fire with expert marksmanship, and fly. And this is read as deep? It has about as much depth as Total Recall, but at least that film was self-aware enough to admit that it was just a wish-fulfillment fantasy, rather than make constant claims of philosophical depth like the Wachowski Brothers.
The whole journey from bondage to enlightenment through the realization that the world is an illusion is very much there in great detail. Neo's journey wasn't about indulging in a fantasy, it was about breaking out of one. The world in the matrix wasn't real and he got to see that. The end result was that he became a truely free man. I didn't have to look for that message or come to any conclusion. It was staring me in the face. They lifted all the basics right from religion and especially eastern philosophy and wrapped it up in the guise of a scifi/action movie.

Perhaps your thoughts about the movie constitute an example of what I mentioned upthread. Maybe the action/scifi/cool factor elements made it more difficult for the message to come through in a direct and meaningful way.

The "wish fulfillment" and "kicking ass" viewpoints are still good ones though. Wanting to be a great hero and/or the acquisition of power to do impressive things are also issues in religion and eastern thought.

I got the same message from the TRUMAN SHOW...years earlier

Rob
 
Independence Day...makes me CRINGE..
Armageddon..makes me wince...

every SF movie cliche ever invented is represented in those 2 films..


(I know a gent that actually cried during Armageddon...real tears when Bruce Willis stays behind...what a SAP!!)
 
Independence Day...makes me CRINGE..
Armageddon..makes me wince...

every SF movie cliche ever invented is represented in those 2 films..


(I know a gent that actually cried during Armageddon...real tears when Bruce Willis stays behind...what a SAP!!)

My mom cried during both Deep Impact and Armageddon. Nothing sappy about, some people are just more emotional than others. Although it DID annoy me when she handed me a hanky, and just assumed I was gonna cry too.

For the record though, I liked Independence Day and Armageddon.

Deep Impact was better though.
 
Yes: 2001: A Space Odyssey. It is one of the most boring, awfully paced films I have ever seen.

OMG, I'm so glad to find out I'm not the only one who feels that way! :) So many people say it's a classic and yet I couldn't even bring myself to watch the whole thing...
 
Hey guys, you know what ISN'T overrated? District 9. Okay, sorry to bring it up, but I just got back from it and that was a mind-bottling experience.
 
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