ST:TMP - Special, Longer Cut...

[ClayinCA]

That being said, I wish the DE had kept the extended scene with McCoy and Kirk:

McCoy: And another thing...
Kirk: Get out of here, Bones.
McCoy: As ship's doctor, I am now discussing the subject...of command fitness.

I find it odd that this scene wasn't included in the DE. It has no special effects whatsoever, so that couldn't be a reason. And the scene in the theatrical and DE versions is obviously edited (rather badly overdubbed, IMHO), so I don't see how any other version of that scene but the SLV's could come close.

I always thought that was odd, too - that and the omission of the line about creating God in our own image are really the only issues I have with the Director's Edition.

 

[Gary Sebben]

I always thought that was odd, too - that and the omission of the line about creating God in our own image are really the only issues I have with the Director's Edition.

They REMOVED the God line? I did notice when I say this thing years ago. That's one of the most clever and subtle anti religion lines ever. EVER. With McCoy's "according to myth" line in TWOK coming in second.

 

[RyanKCR]

I always thought that was odd, too - that and the omission of the line about creating God in our own image are really the only issues I have with the Director's Edition.

They REMOVED the God line? I did notice when I say this thing years ago. That's one of the most clever and subtle anti religion lines ever. EVER. With McCoy's "according to myth" line in TWOK coming in second.

The God line is not as anti-religious as you may think. It may have been intended to be but it wasn't. And within the context of the movie (where V'ger does meet it's god) it is more about how we want God to be then what He really is.

 

[ST-One]

I always thought that was odd, too - that and the omission of the line about creating God in our own image are really the only issues I have with the Director's Edition.

They REMOVED the God line? I did notice when I say this thing years ago. That's one of the most clever and subtle anti religion lines ever. EVER. With McCoy's "according to myth" line in TWOK coming in second.

The God line is not as anti-religious as you may think. It may have been intended to be but it wasn't. And within the context of the movie (where V'ger does meet it's god) it is more about how we want God to be then what He really is.

Yes, V'ger does meet his 'god'. But his god is not like he imagined him nor is/was he a divine being.
TMP is, in that regard, in the best 'tradition' with TOS: everything divine has a perfectly rational explanation.

 

[Oso Blanco]

Compared to Spock flipping us all off, it ain't nothin' ...

Keep this up and I will use that avatar again.

That one pissed me off every time you posted.

Me too. But is current avatar is pissing me off even more.

 

[ST-One]

[William Shatner] GET A LIFE! [/William Shatner]

 

[Gary Sebben]

The God line is not as anti-religious as you may think. It may have been intended to be but it wasn't. And within the context of the movie (where V'ger does meet it's god) it is more about how we want God to be then what He really is.

If it was intended that way then how was it not? That's a head scratcher that only a religious person on the defencive could propose...

In actuality Vger is looking for God and finding out that it doesn't exist at all and it has to deal with the reality. It has to make due with a substitute that is neither mystical nor greater than it.

This goes hand in hand with the McCoy's "one hell of a disappointment" line. TMP's original concept, The God Thing, was supposed to be a not too subtle attack on all major religions, especially Christianity.

 

[trevanian]

[William Shatner] GET A LIFE! [/William Shatner]

Sure, they harangue some other poster about his sig line (which is just an honest expression of opinion) till he changes it, but you get all beet-red over discussion of this stuff when it comes up.

Got character?

 

[RyanKCR]

The God line is not as anti-religious as you may think. It may have been intended to be but it wasn't. And within the context of the movie (where V'ger does meet it's god) it is more about how we want God to be then what He really is.

If it was intended that way then how was it not? That's a head scratcher that only a religious person on the defencive could propose...

In actuality Vger is looking for God and finding out that it doesn't exist at all and it has to deal with the reality. It has to make due with a substitute that is neither mystical nor greater than it.

This goes hand in hand with the McCoy's "one hell of a disappointment" line. TMP's original concept, The God Thing, was supposed to be a not too subtle attack on all major religions, especially Christianity.

I know it was intended as an attack but if you follow through the rest of the scene from McCoy's line it actually does the exact opposite. Vger was not looking for God but looking for its creator and it did find it, but it was not exactly what it expected but it was not disappointed since its creator did exactly what it needed:

DECKER: To bring the Creator here, to finish transmitting the code in person, ...to touch the Creator.
McCOY: To capture God! V'Ger's going to be in for one hell of a disappointment.
SPOCK: Perhaps not. ...Captain, ...V'Ger must evolve. Its knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve. What it requires of its God, Doctor is the answer to its question, 'Is there nothing more?
McCOY: What more is there than the universe, Spock?
DECKER: Other, dimensions, higher levels of beings.
SPOCK: The existence of which cannot be proved logically, therefore V'Ger is incapable of believing in them.
KIRK: What V'Ger needs in order to evolve is a human quality. Our capacity to leap beyond logic.
DECKER: And joining with its Creator might accomplish that.
McCOY: You mean that this machine wants to physically join with a human? Is that possible?
DECKER: Let' find out.

 

[ST-One]

I know it was intended as an attack but if you follow through the rest of the scene from McCoy's line it actually does the exact opposite. Vger was not looking for God but looking for its creator and it did find it, but it was not exactly what it expected but it was not disappointed since its creator did exactly what it needed:

DECKER: To bring the Creator here, to finish transmitting the code in person, ...to touch the Creator.
McCOY: To capture God! V'Ger's going to be in for one hell of a disappointment.
SPOCK: Perhaps not. ...Captain, ...V'Ger must evolve. Its knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve. What it requires of its God, Doctor is the answer to its question, 'Is there nothing more?
McCOY: What more is there than the universe, Spock?
DECKER: Other, dimensions, higher levels of beings.
SPOCK: The existence of which cannot be proved logically, therefore V'Ger is incapable of believing in them.
KIRK: What V'Ger needs in order to evolve is a human quality. Our capacity to leap beyond logic.
DECKER: And joining with its Creator might accomplish that.
McCOY: You mean that this machine wants to physically join with a human? Is that possible?
DECKER: Let' find out.

Of course, V'ger was looking for his 'creator', his god.
And when he found him (humankind) he was pissed at first and then realised his error and wanted to use the opportunity to further evolve.

 

[ST-One]

[William Shatner] GET A LIFE! [/William Shatner]

Sure, they harangue some other poster about his sig line (which is just an honest expression of opinion) till he changes it, but you get all beet-red over discussion of this stuff when it comes up.

Got character?

I don't care who changed what. I just find it laughable that my avatar creates this kind of reaction:

But is current avatar is pissing me off even more.

Honestly what about my current avatar could possibly piss off anyone?

 

[ClayinCA]

Well, I suppose one might have an irrational phobia of shirtless, blonde, curly-haired guys, but apart from that....

 

[Basill]

Well, I suppose one might have an irrational phobia of shirtless, blonde, curly-haired guys, but apart from that....

Or... leopards.

 

[RobertScorpio]

^^Yes and then add in 36 minutes of commercials that the 1983 TV airing had !!!!

That's right!! Watch TMP with extra minutes of bad footage AND 36 minutes of commercials and you can be done in just 3 hours !!!
And when I say done I mean done!


And it includes over 42 lines repeated for extra measure because every order on a starship should be repeated---

"Thrusters at station keeping, Mr Sulu"
"Thrusters at station keeping"
Thrusters ahead, Mr Sulu".........dramatic pause...."Take us out."
"Thrusters ahead."

Every line is gold---don't remove one of them!!


What! It's a drama and that's preposterous?

Blasphemer !!

Seriously, Takei repeats Shatners orders at least 20 times in TMP and they cut out the one line where he showed ANY personality---where he says "he wanted her back....."

How can anyone prefer the SLV or theatrical to the DC is beyond me. it's like you just get comfortable with one version and therefore it must be the best.

Be flexible, if your wife/girlfriend gained two inches on her chest and lost two on her waist---you adjust!
That's the DE, it cuts out a little fat and adds a little substance.

The SLV isn't best because it's longest.
the thearical isn't best because it was first. It was never a classic. In fact, the first time anybody saw it after the theatrical run was in an altered version (SLV) which most of us considered better because it had some character development.

If there are people who like this SLV cut (and Im not even sure what a SLV cut is) then good for them What one might find tedious, someone else might actually like.

In fact, if they didn't release this extra stuff, then we'd be hearing from the otherside demanding they 'release the extra stuff'.

I say? Release everything! No need to go all nixon on our asses and keep it secret.

Rob

 

[Maurice]

But is current avatar is pissing me off even more.

Honestly what about my current avatar could possibly piss off anyone?

I find this ridiculous, considering how many titillating female images appear in avatars here.

 

[Grant]

A much more clever anti-diety jibe is....

"From a fable you once heard in childhood."

 

[RyanKCR]

I know it was intended as an attack but if you follow through the rest of the scene from McCoy's line it actually does the exact opposite. Vger was not looking for God but looking for its creator and it did find it, but it was not exactly what it expected but it was not disappointed since its creator did exactly what it needed:

DECKER: To bring the Creator here, to finish transmitting the code in person, ...to touch the Creator.
McCOY: To capture God! V'Ger's going to be in for one hell of a disappointment.
SPOCK: Perhaps not. ...Captain, ...V'Ger must evolve. Its knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve. What it requires of its God, Doctor is the answer to its question, 'Is there nothing more?
McCOY: What more is there than the universe, Spock?
DECKER: Other, dimensions, higher levels of beings.
SPOCK: The existence of which cannot be proved logically, therefore V'Ger is incapable of believing in them.
KIRK: What V'Ger needs in order to evolve is a human quality. Our capacity to leap beyond logic.
DECKER: And joining with its Creator might accomplish that.
McCOY: You mean that this machine wants to physically join with a human? Is that possible?
DECKER: Let' find out.

Of course, V'ger was looking for his 'creator', his god.
And when he found him (humankind) he was pissed at first and then realised his error and wanted to use the opportunity to further evolve.

Exactly!

 

[ST-One]

I know it was intended as an attack but if you follow through the rest of the scene from McCoy's line it actually does the exact opposite. Vger was not looking for God but looking for its creator and it did find it, but it was not exactly what it expected but it was not disappointed since its creator did exactly what it needed:

Of course, V'ger was looking for his 'creator', his god.
And when he found him (humankind) he was pissed at first and then realised his error and wanted to use the opportunity to further evolve.

Exactly!

And that's decidedly anti-religious; anti-god; anti-divine if you will.

 

[RyanKCR]

Of course, V'ger was looking for his 'creator', his god.
And when he found him (humankind) he was pissed at first and then realised his error and wanted to use the opportunity to further evolve.

Exactly!

And that's decidedly anti-religious; anti-god; anti-divine if you will.

How is that?!?!?!?

 

[ST-One]

Exactly!

And that's decidedly anti-religious; anti-god; anti-divine if you will.

How is that?!?!?!?

'We all create god in our own image.'
It means that we created god.