Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[OneBuckFilms]

I hope the makers of the Haynes manual get actual measurements of the shuttle door heights, then get the CGI versions of the models to scale, the Bridge set, and do the math from there.

With those details, I suspect it is possible to narrow down an actual size for the Enterprise, and possibly the Kelvin as well.

Then they would have to work out where all of the interior elements we've seen might actually fit within the hull, such as what we saw in Engineering.

 

[Peter the Younger]

I hope the makers of the Haynes manual get actual measurements of the shuttle door heights, then get the CGI versions of the models to scale, the Bridge set, and do the math from there.

With those details, I suspect it is possible to narrow down an actual size for the Enterprise, and possibly the Kelvin as well.

Then they would have to work out where all of the interior elements we've seen might actually fit within the hull, such as what we saw in Engineering.

Yeah, I don't see how it's possible to write a detailed manual of this type without settling the basic dimensions. Of course J.J. and ILM can contradict that, but at a certain point you cross the line from "we don't want to be tied down to minutia," and enter into "We don't really take our work seriously."

 

[miraclefan]

I hope the makers of the Haynes manual get actual measurements of the shuttle door heights, then get the CGI versions of the models to scale, the Bridge set, and do the math from there.

How the hell could they get ''actual measurements'' for something that dosn't exist?

 

[Peter the Younger]

I hope the makers of the Haynes manual get actual measurements of the shuttle door heights, then get the CGI versions of the models to scale, the Bridge set, and do the math from there.

How the hell could they get ''actual measurements'' for something that dosn't exist?

Wait it.... it doesn't exist? No, no, nooooo!

Seriously, I think OneBuckFilms meant measurements of the physical sets.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I'm as much for the mental exercise of determining sizes of things like this in Trek as anyone... I've spent tons of time doing it. But I would point out that in the case of this movie, the people making the movie were discouraged from setting an actual size (apparently things like that were what was wrong with Trek in JJ's eyes). And to drive the point home to everyone behind the scenes, when one of the graphic artist (Geoffrey Mandel) made a diagram similar to what has been done in this thread quite a few times, he was let go.

This ship doesn't have a set size, and odds are what ever size you figure out today will only be about a quarter of the size of the same ship in the next movie. And I doubt that any two artist that worked on the movie were using the same size for the ship (so it would most likely change size drastically from one shot to another depending on who composed which shots).

In otherwords, it's ILM and the ST III BoP all over again...

 

[ST-One]

I hope the makers of the Haynes manual get actual measurements of the shuttle door heights, then get the CGI versions of the models to scale, the Bridge set, and do the math from there.

How the hell could they get ''actual measurements'' for something that dosn't exist?

It that a serious question?

 

[starburst]

Something Ive been considering on the "Bridge window vs shuttlebay interior" for scaling is what if Church designed the Enterprise at the 300 range which is supported by the window and later ILM simply shoved a shot in of an oversized shuttles bay...just because Church designed the ship doesnt mean he detailed the shuttle bay also.

 

[Richard Baker]

Something Ive been considering on the "Bridge window vs shuttlebay interior" for scaling is what if Church designed the Enterprise at the 300 range which is supported by the window and later ILM simply shoved a shot in of an oversized shuttles bay...just because Church designed the ship doesnt mean he detailed the shuttle bay also.

The ship is consistently designed for a smaller scale- what throws things off is the filming CGI changes the size. Look at the Excelsior/Galaxy classes- they were designed to be big from the start.

 

[Guartho]

In otherwords, it's ILM and the ST III BoP all over again...

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?

Looks perfectly consistent to me.

La la la... I'm not listening...

 

[Praetor]

^

 

[Peter the Younger]

In otherwords, it's ILM and the ST III BoP all over again...

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?

Looks perfectly consistent to me.

La la la... I'm not listening...

This is not a canon violation! You see, the energy from the Genesis planet caused Kirk, Spock, and the rest to temporarily grow to 15 feet tall, and then the time travel... aw, forget it.

 

[Anticitizen]

Big or small, the Bird of Prey is a beautiful ship!

 

[Guartho]

Oh yeah. When I was playing in the back yard, the Bird of Prey was always what I pretended to secretly own. It was cloaked and parked behind my house in the pasture between the house and the pond.

 

[miraclefan]

In otherwords, it's ILM and the ST III BoP all over again...

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?

Looks perfectly consistent to me.

La la la... I'm not listening...

This is not a canon violation! You see, the energy from the Genesis planet caused Kirk, Spock, and the rest to temporarily grow to 15 feet tall, and then the time travel... aw, forget it.

Now how did they get them TWO 60 foot long whales in there again?

 

[Guartho]

They swung by that nebula from DS9's "One Little Ship" on their way to intercept the whalers. What they don't show you in Trek IV is that Kirk & Co. are 30 feet tall when they get fished out of the bay. They had to be taken back to the nebula before the trial scenes.

 

[miraclefan]

They swung by that nebula from DS9's "One Little Ship" on their way to intercept the whalers. What they don't show you in Trek IV is that Kirk & Co. are 30 feet tall when they get fished out of the bay. They had to be taken back to the nebula before the trial scenes.

Dear Lord! Why do I a feeling this ''idea'' has been used to explain size problems of various series & movies in ''real'' conversations?

 

[Trekker4747]

FWIW.

I take the SFX shot of the BOP hovering over the whaling ship over the matte painting anyday.

Now, how does the shots of the crew against the "real" BOP on Vulcan compare? Any either way, the interior showed a pretty large ship. It had a large cargo area (in a Klingon Warship!) to hold the two whales.

 

[Praetor]

As a mental exercise, I pretended for a few minutes that I have no idea how big the Enteprises are, and tried to scale the ships by the details on them for best "internal consistency." I came up with this:

The nu's hangar looks pitiably tiny scaling it mostly by the saucer.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

Big or small, the Bird of Prey is a beautiful ship!

Agreed.

Oh, btw, guys, those shots are from ST IV...not III which has it's OWN set of WTF scales...

 

[JewelsNeeJulian]

and given how many shuttles she's supposed to carry.....she's one big Ship