Size Of The New Enterprise (large images)

[buzzknox]

The opportunities for retcon that welder are considerable. It could be an industrial welding/inspectin unit several meters tall, one of the giants Spock prime encountered after the shuttle crash, (who were contacted and "uplifted" in this universe), or an manned exo-frame.

In a few years, there will be dozen of threads on the board fighting over this subject. It could even replace arguments over where the bowling alley on the original 1701 was located.

 

[Kpnuts]

^^ that walkway isn't touching the ship, it is in fact far in front of it.Put that person on the hull of the ship and they'll look half the size, if not smaller.

Watch the engineering sequences. The ship is 700 metres, if not longer.

 

[Mangledduk]

Will someone please try and scale the ship based on EJD1984's shipyard picture? My guess from looking at that picture is that it has proportions very similar to the original Enterprise. The only differences I would see is the secondary hull is longer and the warp nacelles are longer and much fatter. My guess is around 400 to 450m.

You can clearly see there are two people standing on top of the deflector assembly right in front of the torpedo launchers...

 

[tagos]

I have the Art Asylum ENT refit and the Nu-Ent model from a different company.

Both models are about 16 inches long.

The Refit ENT saucer is bigger in footprint but at the same time much thinner in the rim (Nu-ENT looks like it has 5 decks in the rim).

The Nu-ENT shuttle bay doors are very small compared to the refit.

The latter in particular makes the Nu-Ent look like it is intended to be much larger. If they were both the same size the shuttle doors make no sense but overall the Nu-ENT just 'feels' like it is a much bigger, much more substantial ship, particularly with the large nacelles.

Although I did not like the new design when it first appeared the model has bought me around. I think it is now my favourite design and I'm happy that in my own personal canon it is 800 metres or so.

The events of First Contact set up an alternate time-line that led to Enterprise and a Federation much more aware of the dangers of exploration.

This led to bigger designs with larger crews and after the Narada incident the Constitution project was delayed by many years to enable it to meet new specifications. These were so high in terms of power requirements for weapons, shields, speed etc that existing warp and reactor technology demanded a huge ship to fit all the reactors and cores in.

I see the Nu-Ent as old technology pushed to the gargantuan limits to meet the new Starfleet spec and requiring huge crews and shuttle capacity. Like how cannon and canvas warships became huge only for warships to become smaller in the steam age.

With breakthroughs in warp tech leading to the design of the vastly more efficient single core and nacelles and advances in phaser and photons it is quite possible Starfleet might later return to smaller designs like the Ent we know.

/fanwank

 

[EJD1984]

Will someone please try and scale the ship based on EJD1984's shipyard picture? My guess from looking at that picture is that it has proportions very similar to the original Enterprise. The only differences I would see is the secondary hull is longer and the warp nacelles are longer and much fatter. My guess is around 400 to 450m.

You can clearly see there are two people standing on top of the deflector assembly right in front of the torpedo launchers...

I already did that a while back, and came up with 457m

This guesstimate gives you around twice the interior volume, more than enough to accommodate everything we saw on screen.

 

[Mangledduk]

Will someone please try and scale the ship based on EJD1984's shipyard picture? My guess from looking at that picture is that it has proportions very similar to the original Enterprise. The only differences I would see is the secondary hull is longer and the warp nacelles are longer and much fatter. My guess is around 400 to 450m.

You can clearly see there are two people standing on top of the deflector assembly right in front of the torpedo launchers...

I already did that a while back, and came up with 457m

This guesstimate gives you around twice the interior volume, more than enough to accommodate everything we saw on screen.

That's great...looks about right to me. Thanks.

 

[Praetor]

Yeah, based on the details alone (ignoring the shuttlebay and the brewery) the above seems a likely visual extrapolation.

But I suppose it's still "really" 700+ meters.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

You know, I'm sure it's entirely coincidental at this point, but I notice that a 710 meter Enterprise would have an engineering section with dimensions VERY close that of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier.

Have we really given much thought to engineering/technical/logistical implications of building a space ship this size? I mean, honestly, even with 21st century technology we have the ability to build structures this large, it's just that we don't usually connect them or attach gigantic engines to them.

In point of fact, building a 710 meter Enterprise would be the equivalent of building four Nimitz class aircraft carriers and attaching them together with trusses. There's the engineering challenge of getting all four giant modules to stick together without flying apart, but that's a matter of engineering skill and material science, hardly insurmountable by 23rd century technology.

More than that. The JJ-Prise is also in excess of 40 decks tall.

Well no, in point of fact it's actually several interconnected modules, each of which is about ten decks high. Basically, a structure composed of Iowa class battleships could be 700 meters long and 40 stories high if you stacked them in an enterprise-like configuration.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Yeah, based on the details alone (ignoring the shuttlebay and the brewery) the above seems a likely visual extrapolation.

But I suppose it's still "really" 700+ meters.

Well, it's worth considering that about 200 of those 700 meters is probably the length of the warp nacelles.

 

[nx1701g]

^ That's a good point.

 

[Praetor]

Yeah, and the size doesn't bother me. It can be explained easily enough as far as I'm concerned. It's the apparent inconsistency that does.

 

[buzzknox]

Yeah, and the size doesn't bother me. It can be explained easily enough as far as I'm concerned. It's the apparent inconsistency that does.

There are a few things that are perfectly canon in terms of Star Trek.

1. Kirk cannot be defeated when his shirt is ripped.

2. Inconsistencies are as common as consistencies.

3. The speed of warp travel can be determined using the formula of "speed required by plot times the stated warp factor"

4. Ships will change sizes, even during the same episode/film.

 

[Praetor]

^

My only real gripe is that Trek has been around for over 40 years now, so you think they'd improve at this stuff as they've gone along...

 

[buzzknox]

^

My only real gripe is that Trek has been around for over 40 years now, so you think they'd improve at this stuff as they've gone along...

Why? With all the objections about changing the canon, at least they got the inconsistency bit right. We should celeberate this concession to canon.

If JJ had wanted to completely reboot the series, he would have had the dimensions clearly announced on screen and had a "continuity czar" to insure that all ships, shuttles, sets, etc complied with the dimensions.

 

[Praetor]

"Continuity czar."

 

[EJD1984]

^^ that walkway isn't touching the ship, it is in fact far in front of it.Put that person on the hull of the ship and they'll look half the size, if not smaller.

Though that gantry does appear to conform to the underside contor of the saucer. I can't see it being excessivly that far away from the ship (i.e. closer to the camera) since it's there to support the construction on the ship.

Plus the panning/zoom of the shot gives the perspective that the crane-gantry is under the saucer.

I wonder if there is some hesitation from Abrams & Co. on nailing down an actual size, since there's a history within Trek of directors having their own interpretation of the scale of the ship (slight or extreme). Since it appears most likely that there will be a new director for the next film.

 

[Silversmok3]

Here's a way to compare /derive the NuEnterprises size.

Discover the width of the large personnel shuttles that Kirk/Mccoy took from San Fran,and that width is equal to the length of the NCC written on the rear beneath the shuttle bay doors.All derived from the in-film flybys.

 

[miraclefan]

Here's a way to compare /derive the NuEnterprises size.

Discover the width of the large personnel shuttles that Kirk/Mccoy took from San Fran,and that width is equal to the length of the NCC written on the rear beneath the shuttle bay doors.All derived from the in-film flybys.

I think we tried that earlyer. (didn't work)

 

[Praetor]

I think scaling by the shuttlebay is really the best bet.

 

[Peter the Younger]

I think scaling by the shuttlebay is really the best bet.

I'd agree. The shuttlebay gives us something tangible - human beings - to measure everything else against.

In fact, we should probably forget meters and feet and just measure everything in "Chris Pines."