So The Best of Both Worlds 1&2 is supposed to be two of the finest eps

[AxelFoley]

Re: So The Best of Both Worlds 1&2 is supposed to be two of the finest

I clearly came on here to ask those who are familiar with this show if there is still a lot of good episodes that could make me warm up to it after season 3. I have gotten mixed responces, some has urged me to continue while some others have told me to let it go since it is probably not my cup of tea. The responces have been helpful so far, you being an asshole for no apparent reason doesn't do any good though, so why don't you refrain from posting in this thread since it clearly does no good. Simply put; Stay the fuck away. Thanks

Whoa Axel, some anger issues, I see - yet another reason for you to stop watching TNG ASAP. It's clearly not doing anything for you.

Not really, it's just that your comment was as useful to this thread as herpes is to a prostitute.

 

[Hober Mallow]

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It's completely understandable to find S1 and S2 a bit of a struggle. I love TNG, but sometimes it leans way too heavily on the "family" episodes.

The ultimate family episode, the episode titled "Family," IMO is much, much better than "Best of Both Worlds." And if it weren't for the episode showing that Picard's character still had issues that weren't resolved in "Best" (as opposed to Riker, whose character development was reset by the end of the episode), I'd like "Best of Both Worlds" even less.

 

[LaBarre]

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I clearly came on here to ask those who are familiar with this show if there is still a lot of good episodes that could make me warm up to it after season 3. I have gotten mixed responces, some has urged me to continue while some others have told me to let it go since it is probably not my cup of tea. The responces have been helpful so far, you being an asshole for no apparent reason doesn't do any good though, so why don't you refrain from posting in this thread since it clearly does no good. Simply put; Stay the fuck away. Thanks

Whoa Axel, some anger issues, I see - yet another reason for you to stop watching TNG ASAP. It's clearly not doing anything for you.

Not really, it's just that your comment was as useful to this thread as herpes is to a prostitute.

Haven't had the need to utilise such services myself but perhaps you were speaking from personal experience. If so, THAT might be a more constructive use of your time instead of watching seasons of TNG, the episodes of which you can barely remember, never mind relate to others.

 

[nx1701g]

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LaBarre and Axel I think you two need to calm down a bit. People have every right to come to the board and ask for help and our opinions on episodes if they haven't liked the episodes, but we shouldn't be overly critical of their opinions because they didn't like the show.

 

[LaBarre]

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Thanks nx1701g.

I for one, am calm - which is not synonymous with willing to be a doormat.

 

[AxelFoley]

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Whoa Axel, some anger issues, I see - yet another reason for you to stop watching TNG ASAP. It's clearly not doing anything for you.

Not really, it's just that your comment was as useful to this thread as herpes is to a prostitute.

Haven't had the need to utilise such services myself but perhaps you were speaking from personal experience. If so, THAT might be a more constructive use of your time instead of watching seasons of TNG, the episodes of which you can barely remember, never mind relate to others.

Instead of trying to be clever, just stay away from this thread as you are not contributing anything.

 

[Bain Sidhe]

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Axel, the point I think LaBarre is making is that you aren't really asking for "input" - not really. People have pointed out several excellent TNG episodes from Season 3, and your response to all of them was "I didn't like it" or "meh." If you really don't think that "The Enemy" or "The Defector" or "Yesterday's Enterprise" or "Sarek" were worth your time, then what do you magically think is going to change in the later seasons? Those were four exceptional TNG episodes that had a fine interplay of character development and intense drama - and, sorry, were way more sophisticated than anything TOS ever did, IMO - and you can't even recall them? Why would your reaction to "The Inner Light" or "Tapestry" or "Chain of Command" be any different?

 

[Malcolm Orr]

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Hmmm...

Best of Both Worlds is a classic. I absolutely loved TNG, but the Berman/Braga later series turned me off Trek for a while. Rewatching the DVDs now I have yet to get through any episodes. I used to love it. Some episodes like BOBW I have just seen too many times. I could recite the bloody script. Much of the acting is stilted and wooden, esp Riker.

I just can't watch TNG nowadays and goodness knows I've tried. The picture quality on an HD LCD TV is dreadful, pixelated and hazy. Picard, Data and Worf are still amazing characters, but Riker, Geordi and Beverly are wooden and droll now.

Still I watched 'In a Mirror Darkly' the other day and the acting and characters were absolutely dire.

Years ago I didn't really give TOS a chance, but having bought the Blu Ray season one set I've enjoyed all the episodes so far - more exciting and the characters a little more naturalistic in their interactions.

TNG is a different beast to TOS, but both are good, largely because i each series 3 good characters carry less interesting ones, though TNG has aged badly, which is a shame.

 

[RAMA]

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I think two of the pertinent questions that haven't been asked are what you look for in a Trek series, and _how_ TNG has failed you thus far.

As an aside, I'm going camping over the weekend so any lack of additional response isn't intentional.

A good show with good, interesting characters with great chemistry together mixed with plots that I find myself involved in & dialogue that is entertaining yet intelligent written.

The show has most of these things to some degree, but way too little of it for me to get really involved with the show. Too much is being spent on characters I couldn't care less if they were to die in any given episode.

Its probably just too thoughtful and intelligent a show for you...I'm not trying to insult here, I'm being serious. For some, especially younger people, a show like STNG which takes its time with plots and has a calculated, very specific point of view, it will just not appeal to them. In some cases you also really had to be there when they came out.

Personally I am LESS interested in characters and more with events, stories, and themes, and STNG excels in these areas, while giving the characters more to do than the TOS characters. The difference is that the TOS leads were all archetypal characters, and while only 2 characters were really developed, they resonated with audiences. STNG will take you 176 episodes to get to know them.

RAMA

 

[AxelFoley]

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Axel, the point I think LaBarre is making is that you aren't really asking for "input" - not really. People have pointed out several excellent TNG episodes from Season 3, and your response to all of them was "I didn't like it" or "meh." If you really don't think that "The Enemy" or "The Defector" or "Yesterday's Enterprise" or "Sarek" were worth your time, then what do you magically think is going to change in the later seasons? Those were four exceptional TNG episodes that had a fine interplay of character development and intense drama - and, sorry, were way more sophisticated than anything TOS ever did, IMO - and you can't even recall them? Why would your reaction to "The Inner Light" or "Tapestry" or "Chain of Command" be any different?

Well, considering I've just mentioned a couple of episodes I really liked from season 4, miracles do happen and that was what I was hoping for. I'm glad I kept going further with season 4. My responces to season 3 episodes doesn't matter all that much since I had already seen them and they obviously hadn't stuck to my memory all that much by name. When I get a synopsis I usually know the episode people are referring to. Also, I never said they weren't worth my time, I said I liked them but wasn't crazy about them.

I was looking for later seasons input. I've come to understand that season 3 is not only the best season according to a lot of people, it is also the season where "things starts to happen", so naturally I have seasons 4, 5, 6 & 7 to follow that up on. Season 3 was a step up from season 2, opinions vary so of course season 4 may be even better and so on. I'm popping in disc 4 tonight, with delight Had it been a unanimous "It's not for you, stay away!" I'm fairly certain I hadn't continued with the show.

Its probably just too thoughtful and intelligent a show for you...I'm not trying to insult here, I'm being serious.

Yeah ok Sure sounded like an insult. I'm not trying to insult you either when I say that you don't know enough to base such an opinion on me. Just because someone don't "dig" a show as much as the next intellectual, doesn't automatically make the show "too thoughtful and intelligent" for that person. Thanks anyway though, no offence taken, you P´taq! Nah, just kidding.

 

[RAMA]

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Some of the touchstone episodes of TOS have multiple episodes in STNG that are rough equivalents in quality. BoT for example has "The Defector", "The Enemy". TOS' COtEF has "Yesterday's Enterprise", "Inner Light", All Good Things", etc. I've always maintained if there are about 50 decent episodes of TOS, STNG has well over double that number...in the low 100s of its 176 episodes.

Upon further reflection maybe the episodes don't appeal to you becaue you've already prejudged them based on TOS.

RAMA

 

[LaBarre]

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Axel, the point I think LaBarre is making is that you aren't really asking for "input" - not really. People have pointed out several excellent TNG episodes from Season 3, and your response to all of them was "I didn't like it" or "meh." If you really don't think that "The Enemy" or "The Defector" or "Yesterday's Enterprise" or "Sarek" were worth your time, then what do you magically think is going to change in the later seasons? Those were four exceptional TNG episodes that had a fine interplay of character development and intense drama - and, sorry, were way more sophisticated than anything TOS ever did, IMO - and you can't even recall them? Why would your reaction to "The Inner Light" or "Tapestry" or "Chain of Command" be any different?

Exactly, and also put with much better grace than I have been able to muster.

So, and with mea culpas from me for my share in the silly insults that have sidetracked us - isn't this the critical point?

 

[Holdfast]

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Interesting twists and turns this thread took.

I certainly agree that it can do without the insults.

 

[Praetorian]

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Since the show peaked with "The Best of Both Worlds" and Season 3 in general (even if the following 3 seasons were quite good as well) I would say that TNG probably isn't your thing, AxelFoley. There's nothing wrong with that of course. However it seems you are enjoying Season 4 more so who knows what will happen?

 

[RAMA]

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I don't think he will like any season, but season 4 and 6 are my favorites.

RAMA

 

[Hober Mallow]

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I've yet to read anyone bother to explain why BOBW is so great. Only that it is and if you don't get it... well, TNG is too intelligent and sophisticated for you to get.

 

[Falcor5]

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I've yet to read anyone bother to explain why BOBW is so great. Only that it is and if you don't get it... well, TNG is too intelligent and sophisticated for you to get.

Why not just watch it yourself and decide? Why do you need us to tell you why you should like or dislike it?

 

[Hober Mallow]

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Why not just watch it yourself and decide?

I watched it when it first aired and have seen it many times since. I've already decided it's not the best episode. I'm not asking anyone to tell me why I should think it is the best episode. That's not going to happen. I'm pointing out that those who claim it's the best of the best haven't bothered to explain why that's the case. Only that if you don't agree with their opinion, then you just don't "get" TNG and TNG isn't for you.

 

[clint g]

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Why not just watch it yourself and decide?

I watched it when it first aired and have seen it many times since. I've already decided it's not the best episode. I'm not asking anyone to tell me why I should think it is the best episode. That's not going to happen. I'm pointing out that those who claim it's the best of the best haven't bothered to explain why that's the case. Only that if you don't agree with their opinion, then you just don't "get" TNG and TNG isn't for you.

Alrighty, I'll give my opinion.I think BoBW is a great episode because of the amount of drama and tension they were able to cram into the episode.The Borg were a menacing threat. They destroyed an entire fleet of Federation ships and were advancing on earth for the soul purpose of destroying earth. Yes, there were threats made to the earth in previous movies but it was never from an actual enemy hell bent on wiping out humanity. There was a sense in the episode that the heroes were actualy at risk of losing and that was just multiplied by the fact that the shows lead was not only captured by the enemy but successfuly made into one of the enemy. Thats alot of firsts for Star Trek all rolled into one two parter.

This is also where the "you had to be there" aspect comes in. If you didnt grow up watching TNG and started out with DS9, VOY, ENT or even picked up on TNG after the show was completed all of these things would be taken for granted. What made BoBW so enjoyable is now in many ways cliche, but that wasn't always the case.

 

[DonIago]

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Ah. To put it in a contemporary context, watching "BoBW Part I" when it aired is akin to watching a season finale episode of "LOST" now. You're left with no idea of where the series is going to go yet a definite sense that things are dire, and the fact that someone's name is in the opening credits doesn't guarantee they won't be gone by the end of the next episode.