Jeyl's Nitpicks on XI (Spoiler Heavy)

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Re: Fubar?

Perhaps they're simple military designations by Starfleet. Like dreadnaught, destroyer or bunny.

 

[Captain Robert April]

Re: Fubar?

There are so many legitimate reasons to hate this movie, why focus on this bit?

 

[PKTrekGirl]

Re: Fubar?

Yeah, call a ship whatever you want.

Honestly, think about it.

It's an English name for an alien vessel, which I'm sure has totally different nomenclature in Klingon or otherwise.

Yes!

We'll just call it... Klingon Wargoose. And Turd of Prey

Okay...now this one made me laugh.

Maybe this is a tie-in with The Doomsday Machine.

I always thought that thing looked like a giant turd.

 

[USS Gettysburg]

Re: Fubar?

To some, it's analagous to calling vanilla - strawberry. Romulan vessel would have been better than (the incorrect) Warbird imo. Someone should have caught that one.

Wait... who is strawberry and who is vanilla? Are the Klingons strawberry? Is that canon, I'm worried. Dammit Jim I'm a doctor, not 31 flavors!

 

[Sky]

The biggest problem I had with the film was one single shot: the final collapse of Vulcan. Well, not so much the collapse itself, but the Enterprise flying past the camera. I can't put my finger on it, but it just seemed to minimize the entire sequence. "Planet imploding? Eh, what can ya do? On to the next scene. Not a moment to breathe."

Many things in this movie were like that. Oooh, billions of people died. Well, whatever, on to the next action sequence. You were never really given the time and space to feel what was happening.

 

[DiSiLLUSiON]

Many things in this movie were like that. Oooh, billions of people died. Well, whatever, on to the next action sequence. You were never really given the time and space to feel what was happening.

Life doesn't give you breathers, either.

 

[ST-One]

The biggest problem I had with the film was one single shot: the final collapse of Vulcan. Well, not so much the collapse itself, but the Enterprise flying past the camera. I can't put my finger on it, but it just seemed to minimize the entire sequence. "Planet imploding? Eh, what can ya do? On to the next scene. Not a moment to breathe."

Many things in this movie were like that. Oooh, billions of people died. Well, whatever, on to the next action sequence. You were never really given the time and space to feel what was happening.

No, of course not.
There was only the 'I'm now part of an endangered species' log entry and the turbolift-scene with Spock and Uhura.

 

[jtfx6552]

Re: Fubar?

Well, I only seen the movie once, and they weren't on screen for long, but they they didn't look like (Romulan) warbirds, or (Klingon) Birds of Prey, they were D7 battle cruisers, (in typical Classic non-remastered TOS on screen orientation no less).

Given the amount of Trek trivia they got right in this movie, I am surprised the F'ed that up.

 

[Trilliam]

Re: Fubar?

They could have callled them
Klingon Emu Attack class or
Romulan Cassowary destroyer class.

 

[Welshie]

Re: Fubar?

Perhaps they're simple military designations by Starfleet. Like dreadnaught, destroyer or bunny.

Does the giant whale probe from Star Trek IV qualify as a bunny?

 

[miraclefan]

Re: Fubar?

Well, I only seen the movie once, and they weren't on screen for long, but they they didn't look like (Romulan) warbirds, or (Klingon) Birds of Prey, they were D7 battle cruisers, (in typical Classic non-remastered TOS on screen orientation no less).

Given the amount of Trek trivia they got right in this movie, I am surprised the F'ed that up.

I thought they looked a little more like slightly modified K'Tinga class battlecrusiers, which was a bit of a suprise considering how much they modified the Enterprise.

 

[Kelso]

Re: Fubar?

Klingon/Romulan terminology has been interchangeable since the 80's. Hell, during Saavick's KM test they made referance to the Klingon Neutral Zone. Who cares?

This movie sets the rules for the Trek universe going forward. As such, Klingon ships are called Warbirds (until they're not).

Yet, Abrams uses the term Klingon Warbird and everyone laps it up and berates anyone who criticizes it. No, no double standards here.

You'll find that people tend to be more forgiving of something they like.

It's shocking, I know.

 

[Hedbergian]

The biggest problem I had with the film was one single shot: the final collapse of Vulcan. Well, not so much the collapse itself, but the Enterprise flying past the camera. I can't put my finger on it, but it just seemed to minimize the entire sequence. "Planet imploding? Eh, what can ya do? On to the next scene. Not a moment to breathe."

Many things in this movie were like that. Oooh, billions of people died. Well, whatever, on to the next action sequence. You were never really given the time and space to feel what was happening.

No, of course not.
There was only the 'I'm now part of an endangered species' log entry and the turbolift-scene with Spock and Uhura.

The Enterprise flyby shot alone seemed to dismiss the whole sequence. It just felt conspicuously out of place, and likely no amount of Spock/Uhura turbolift brooding would have brought it back for me.

I would have preferred no flyby. Vulcan collapses. A moment of silence, perhaps a sorrowful music cue. Mouths agape on the bridge, like "holy shit, did that just happen!?". Then pause, take a breath. Then Spock heads for the lift, Uhura follows.

 

[Nick Ryder]

Re: Fubar?

Perhaps they're simple military designations by Starfleet. Like dreadnaught, destroyer or bunny.

Does the giant whale probe from Star Trek IV qualify as a bunny?

I think that's more of a dickship

 

[davisn456]

Re: Loved the movie but (insert nit pick here)

Just a few observations, and forgive me if these have already been discussed. I haven't made it through all the threads:

More nits:

How far away from Vulcan was the ice planet? If Old Spock can see Vulcan being destroyed from there, it would have had to have been close enough to get sucked into the black hole.

The black hole Nero used to destroy Vulcan was a very controlled one, unlike the one that destroyed the ship at the end. He only used a drop of red matter, verses the whole dose.

How far away was Enterprise (traveling at warp) from the ice planet when Scotty and Kirk beamed onto it?

IIRC, Spock ordered warp 3 when they left Vulcan. I would think they were a decent distance away by the time they found Scotty. This one didn't make much sense to me either.

Kirk's demeanor on Kobyashi Maru. He should have played it more seriously as if he really had discovered a way to win. His actions made it look like he wanted to get caught. Maybe he did. I don't know.

I have to wonder whether or not Kirk's father not being around had something to do with the personality difference in this Kirk. Since his dad wasn't around to set him straight once in a while, I would have to think that would trigger him to be more rebellious than the Kirk we know.

So Vulcan is destroyed. And there are only 10,000 survivors? So, this ancient spacefaring race didn't have any colonies?

It was made clear quite often that the Vulcans didn't stray far from home, other than for scientific mission and first contact situations. I think once the Federation was established, this became even more the case. I can't remember any mention of Vulcan colonies in all of the other series.

 

[OtterVomit]

Near the end of the film, Kirk (in his new Captain garbs) was giving the orders in preparation to leave space dock, and then Spock shows up at the last second to offer his services as First Officer.

So...why was the 1701 about to warp out into the unknown without a number 1?

 

[TrekGuide.com]

Re: Fubar?

Actually, in "The Enterprise Incident," it was revealed that the Klingons gave the Romulans starship technology, so Romulan Warbirds were actually based on Klingon ships.

In the 24th Century, Romulans continued to call their ships "Warbirds," while the Klingons stopped using that name.

I don't see any continuity problems with both races using the name for their ships in the 23rd Century.

 

[superstring01]

More nits:

• So we don't know whether it was Romulus's star or some neighboring star that was going nova/supernova, but here's a fact: no star just suddenly goes "supernova" it takes MILLIONS of years to get to that point. We can, with today's technology, detect when it's nearing the end of its life cycle. Are the Romulans--with 300+ years more advanced technology--incapable of detecting this and evacuating the planet?
• So, Vulcan (the second most important planet in the UFP) doesn't have a starbase with ships ready to fight? They are just sitting ducks? They depend on Earth? And what's with the lousy communications? They aren't that far from Earth (obviously), why the cryptic message: "We're in trouble, Obi-Wan... you're our only hope!" IT's a goddamned planet with six billion SMART inhabitants. That's it? No long range sensors. The Narada OBVIOUSLY didn't cloak. They didn't see this gigantic ship coming!? Let's use the UN example: The USA and the Japan are both pretty important members. Japan has a pretty sizeable infrastructure--like Vulcan--why no Starfleet wessles? No orbital platforms? No interceptor drones? No various "other" ships? Don't give me this "The fleet was in the Ionian[?] sectar on maneuvers" shit. No nation sends its entire fleet away from home leaving itself totally unprotected.
• So, Uhura translates a message that some gigantic Romulan ships just destroys FOURTY Klingon ships (and they aren't weaklings) and the UFP isn't even twitching? Nothing? I mean, they didn't see it coming? At all??!?!?! Ships just prancing about all over, no readiness?
• Why didn't Enterprise just fire on the drilling platform in Vulcan's orbit when it left warp? It just sat there. Granted, they really didn't know what the Narada was doing, but SHIT, they could have just taken the precaution and destroyed the drilling mechanism. Why send people down? Lame.
• Speaking of drilling platforms, did they really need to drop the red matter off in the core of the planet? It's a goddmaned black hole! They could have dumped the stuff off in the atmosphere and the gravity well would have been MORE than enough to suck the planet in.
• So, Delta Vega is within visual range of Vulcan? There are no Vulcans living there? It wasn't effected by a BLACK HOLE nearby? Really? Lame.
• So, Spock finds it necessary to eject Kirk and NOT put him in a brig? Is that logical? HELL, is it ethical or even legal? It's a time of war. Shouldn't he just be tossed in the brig?
• So, Kirk is marooned on this ice planet and he just HAPPENS to land close enough to run into Spock in some random cave? Honestly? We're supposed to buy that?
• Speaking of Alpha Spock, don't you think that he would NOT have allowed himself to be taken captive with an OBVIOUSLY mega-super-dee-duper-destructive material? Wouldn't the logical thing be to have self destructed before allowing the red matter to fall into a crazed lunatic's hands? That's what the rule is for the US Navy concerning nuke-u-lar weapons. You think the Vulcan High Command would at least be smart enough to have some rule like, "This shit is REALLY powerful, we probably don't want it getting into the wrong hands..." They're supposed to be the intellectual guys within the UFP.
• Ummm, did they forget to beam onboard the Narada as it passed Saturn? That was the plan, wasn't it? By the time they beamed onboard the Narada, it was already in Earth's orbit. So, why all the hubbub about "When the Narada passes Saturn we'll beam onboard... blah blah blah." Shit, from THAT distance they could have just jumped out of warp and no need to hide. Weapons would have taken a while to get to them.
• Really? No guards around the Vulcan ship? Honestly? We're supposed to believe that? Garbage. These Romulans DESERVED to lose if they couldn't at least lock the door and set the alarm. Bweep-bweep. Even my car has one of those.

~String

 

[superstring01]

Oh, and one more: Are there really only CADETS available to man the flagship of the Federation? There weren't a bunch of better trained military officers on that GIGANTIC space station who would be a bit more mature at handling the whole issue?

And if they only thought it was a natural disaster at first, why send a fleet to investigate? Shit, even WE could see the Narada from within the atmosphere of Vulcan. They couldn't? Odd.

~String

 

[Brent]

They had a fleet out in another system, the Enterprise was launched early, it wasn't meant to be launched with a cadet crew. All the officers seemed to be in another star system. They got the call from Vulcan and had to leave early, so they manned it with what they had.