Jeyl's Nitpicks on XI (Spoiler Heavy)
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I think Nero just went mad and somehow felt the only way to win is if the Romulans are the strongest for some reason.
I admit I was shocked that they hired Winona Ryder to speak about five lines. The lack of women, however, seemed to be locked in from the dramatis personae they inherited. I mean, Star Trek had three female characters, and only one, even in theory, wasn't in an extremely subordinated role.
If it makes you feel better, at least to me Uhura appeared to be by far the most competent person on the Enterprise.
Indeed. I have never in my life witnessed someone who was asking for an ass-beating, with words alone, more than the new Jim Kirk. And clearly everyone on the bridge agreed.
Cripple the Empire's enemies--presumably Nero would go after the Klingons next--and Romulus can expand, avoiding their destruction at the hands of the crazy supernova that obeys no physics.
Captain April never really made much sense anyway. It always seemed assumed that Kirk + crew had the "latest and greatest" ship rather than an older model.
Re: Loved the movie but (insert nit pick here)
Well, considering he played a major role in saving earth, I'd say promotion to Captain was the least they could do. What good would it be for him to work under a Captain for awhile? All he'd have to say is "I've saved Earth, how many planets have you saved?"
Well, considering he played a major role in saving earth, I'd say promotion to Captain was the least they could do. What good would it be for him to work under a Captain for awhile? All he'd have to say is "I've saved Earth, how many planets have you saved?"
i have been thinking on nero and it comes to what we saw was the vulcan id we always heard about.; the run away emotions that in the past almost destroyed vulcan.
yeah there are other logical things nero could have done but he was romulan and not vulcan.
he was going with his primal need for revenge.. an out let for his hatred.
and the romulan scientists gave him an outlet for it with the ship.
yeah there are other logical things nero could have done but he was romulan and not vulcan.
he was going with his primal need for revenge.. an out let for his hatred.
and the romulan scientists gave him an outlet for it with the ship.
Big difference between pretty much single-handedly beating a villain and mastering the diplomacy to deal with other races, the leadership skills to manage an entire crew, the ability to carry out missions...
Why? I sorta liked the idea that the Enterprise was just a ship among many, but during the five year mission it became legendary because of what its crew did and experienced.
Ah, so just like the rest of Trek. cool.
My Nitpicks:
1) By the year that the Romulus star exploded, Spock would have been over 150+ years old. Even though Vulcans have a longer lifespan than humans, why send an obviously elderly man, without any backup to stop a star from going Supernova, and then get pissed because he failed? Based on Nero's accounts, it clear that the Romulan Empire did little to evacuate Romulus, nor did they send any additional ships to prevent the Supernova other than Spock's ship (thus adopting the Federation's dismal "one ship to save us" policy). Wouldn't this be like sending Angela Landsbury on a mission to save Earth by herself?
2) Instead of waiting around for 25 years for Spock, why didn't Nero head to Romulus and try to prevent the Supernova from ever happening? It is doubtful that the Supernova issue was just building up in the last few years, and that it had been buliding for a while (centuries/millenia), even though it was just recently detected in the 24th century. Since Nero's ship was so advanced, he could have disabled any Romulan opposition that he may have encountered and at least try to force the 23rd century Romulans to implement a system/solution to prevent it from happening. Clearly Nero was not worried about polluting the timeline, so why not pollute it to save Romulus? How in Nero's mind was the Federation responsible for the Supernova?
3) Was Nero aware that he was in an alternate timeline? The dialog that he had when he was fighting nuKirk seems to indicate that he at least perceived that this "Kirk" was different than TOS Kirk. So, if he knew this, why did he think that by changing or interfering with the alternate timeline that it would help Romulus escape its fate?
1) By the year that the Romulus star exploded, Spock would have been over 150+ years old. Even though Vulcans have a longer lifespan than humans, why send an obviously elderly man, without any backup to stop a star from going Supernova, and then get pissed because he failed? Based on Nero's accounts, it clear that the Romulan Empire did little to evacuate Romulus, nor did they send any additional ships to prevent the Supernova other than Spock's ship (thus adopting the Federation's dismal "one ship to save us" policy). Wouldn't this be like sending Angela Landsbury on a mission to save Earth by herself?
2) Instead of waiting around for 25 years for Spock, why didn't Nero head to Romulus and try to prevent the Supernova from ever happening? It is doubtful that the Supernova issue was just building up in the last few years, and that it had been buliding for a while (centuries/millenia), even though it was just recently detected in the 24th century. Since Nero's ship was so advanced, he could have disabled any Romulan opposition that he may have encountered and at least try to force the 23rd century Romulans to implement a system/solution to prevent it from happening. Clearly Nero was not worried about polluting the timeline, so why not pollute it to save Romulus? How in Nero's mind was the Federation responsible for the Supernova?
3) Was Nero aware that he was in an alternate timeline? The dialog that he had when he was fighting nuKirk seems to indicate that he at least perceived that this "Kirk" was different than TOS Kirk. So, if he knew this, why did he think that by changing or interfering with the alternate timeline that it would help Romulus escape its fate?
Re: Fubar?
I remember back when the term Klingon Warbird was used in Broken Bow. The Enterprise forum had a thread filled with fanboys shouting cybervenom and cursing Bermaga as crimilans who shouldn't be allowed to write Trek again because of that. Hell, even other Trek websites went on at detail about this grievous error and docked the episode upward to five points in their reviews over it.
Yet, Abrams uses the term Klingon Warbird and everyone laps it up and berates anyone who criticizes it. No, no double standards here.
I remember back when the term Klingon Warbird was used in Broken Bow. The Enterprise forum had a thread filled with fanboys shouting cybervenom and cursing Bermaga as crimilans who shouldn't be allowed to write Trek again because of that. Hell, even other Trek websites went on at detail about this grievous error and docked the episode upward to five points in their reviews over it.
Yet, Abrams uses the term Klingon Warbird and everyone laps it up and berates anyone who criticizes it. No, no double standards here.
Re: Fubar?
Making a big fuzz out of this was stupid back then and it is stupid now.
Making a big fuzz out of this was stupid back then and it is stupid now.
Well Spock wouldn't be elderly for a vulcan yet. We have never gotten any idea how old, old is for a vulcan actually. The oldest known vulcan was Sarek at 200+ years old in the 24th century and he had a rare desease lead to his demise. It really doesn't go into anything about the evacuation or what the Federation really did, but I do agree the Federation would have done more than one ship. All it said was that Romulus and Nero's wife was destroyed in 2387.
That seems like the more reasonable thing to do. But Nero is a mad man by this time so like any villain his reasoning doesn't make sense.
Why did Nero think destroying the Federation would lead to a Romulus not affected by a supernova?
Re: Fubar?
Well, in TOS Romulan ships were not called "warbirds." In fact, they were called "Romulan ships." They were simply described in dialogue (and shown) to be painted "like birds of prey."
The first onscreen use of "bird of prey" to describe a vessel class, however, was most likely its use in Star Trek III in reference to "a Klingon Bird Of Prey" (Kirk's conversation with Sulu on the Enterprise bridge). So even that term is canonically associated with Klingons rather than Romulans (yes, I know that there's some script history regarding the supposedly Romulan origin of the ship, but that never made it onscreen).
"Warbird" isn't associated with the Romulans until TNG. As noted in the link above, it is used with reference to a Klingon vessel in Star Trek Enterprise which - however reviled it might be by some - is as "canonical" as any other live-action Trek tv show or movie.
Well, in TOS Romulan ships were not called "warbirds." In fact, they were called "Romulan ships." They were simply described in dialogue (and shown) to be painted "like birds of prey."
The first onscreen use of "bird of prey" to describe a vessel class, however, was most likely its use in Star Trek III in reference to "a Klingon Bird Of Prey" (Kirk's conversation with Sulu on the Enterprise bridge). So even that term is canonically associated with Klingons rather than Romulans (yes, I know that there's some script history regarding the supposedly Romulan origin of the ship, but that never made it onscreen).
"Warbird" isn't associated with the Romulans until TNG. As noted in the link above, it is used with reference to a Klingon vessel in Star Trek Enterprise which - however reviled it might be by some - is as "canonical" as any other live-action Trek tv show or movie.
Re: Fubar?
Nobody likes "Turd of Prey"?
Nobody likes "Turd of Prey"?
The biggest problem I had with the film was one single shot: the final collapse of Vulcan. Well, not so much the collapse itself, but the Enterprise flying past the camera. I can't put my finger on it, but it just seemed to minimize the entire sequence. "Planet imploding? Eh, what can ya do? On to the next scene. Not a moment to breathe."
Re: Fubar?
Maybe they just make names up on the spot, imagine twelve Klingon Bobs and three Romulan Jons off the starboard bow!
Maybe they just make names up on the spot, imagine twelve Klingon Bobs and three Romulan Jons off the starboard bow!
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