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Where would you rank it with the other films?

As it stands this morning, after seeing Trek XI once...

11. Nemesis (F)
10. Generations (D-)
09. Insurrection (D)
08. The Voyage Home (C)
07. First Contact (C)
06. "Star Trek" (C+)
05. The Final Frontier (B)
04. The Search for Spock (B)
03. The Wrath of Khan (A)
02. The Motion Picture (A)
01. The Undiscovered Country (A+)

I am sure this will change in the future.

Rob+
 
Based on my recollections of past Trek films and the reviews by those who post honestly, pro or con, the new JJ Abrams films won't ever be higher than five.

1. The Undiscovered Country
2. The Wrath of Khan
3. First Contact
4. Nemesis
 
This is the best of the Trek movies, not by much over the other good ones, but it is the best.
 
1. Wrath of Khan
2. Voyage Home
3. Motion Picture (Director's Edition... not theatrical version)
4. Star Trek
5. Search For Spock
6. First Contact
7. Undiscovered Country
8. Final Frontier
9. Generations
10. Nemesis
11. Insurrection
 
1. Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country
2. Star Trek: First Contact
3. Star Trek: Wrath of Khan
4. Star Trek: The Voyage Home
5. Star Trek: Generations
6. This Aint Star Trek XXX
7. Star Trek XI
8. Star Trek: Search for Spock
9. Star Trek: Insurrection
10. Star Trek: Nemesis
11. Star Trek: The Final Frontier
12. Star Trek: TMP

I see what you did there.

Anyway, I loved it but it's probably not better than TWOK or TUC. I'll need to see it a couple more times before I can objectively rank it.
 
Wow. I am just surprised how many people are giving this movie good ratings. I'm not going to try and convince anyone else this was a bad movie...but from my perspective the first viewing.....IT WAS AWFUL. I love trek guys, but this may be the WORST trek movie. I'm sure I will be in the minority. If other people enjoy this time of film....all the power to them.

Really? I mean really really? I think this is one of those things where it's scientifically proven that Star Trek V and Nemesis are much much worse movies than Trek XI could ever be.
I think you may be trying to buck the trend or look mildly rebelious or something...like the smug feel I get when I tell fellow Canadians I'm not following the Stanley Cup or something.
 
The first few? Okay, I'll grant you that TMP was slow, although I'd call it more "stately" than "agonizing." But virtually everyone agrees that ST2 was the best in the series, and #3 and 4 are quite similar to it in pace.

At any rate, this is Star Trek. I'll always take substance over style, pacing notwithstanding.
Well, to be honest, while 2 and 3 weren't slow-paced for those days, they are for today's (and even yesterday's) standards.
I don't really think cinematic storyteling standards have changed that much (except for special effects). But then, a lot of my favorite films are from the '80s. And a lot of my other favorites are from the '30s. So perhaps audiences only familiar with recent big-budget movies think everything has to be hyperkinetic. (But do such blinkered audiences even exist, in this age when everything ever released is readily available on DVD?)

And until I'd seen the new movie, I hadn't even realized how slow-paced Trek (even all the series) really was. It was my most loved universe, but all action and even most stories -- where every plot point had to be meticulously explained -- were very slow paced. No wonder non-trekkies fell asleep whenever I'd try to treat them to a good episode or movie.

Most of the time, nothing actually happend! No real battles, no real personal plots (or they would strangely vanish the next episode) and all mysteries and technobabble-solutions would be explained point by point by point until even the viewer with the least IQ would be able to make the necessary connections.
I'll agree that TNG (especially in its first and last seasons) overdid it with the technobabble stories. TOS, though, not so much. And as a general rule, I like a story that takes the time to explain what's going on. (Or at least explain enough to make it clear that the writers have thought through the logic of it all—something clearly not the case in this film.)

And the occasional standout episode like "Balance of Terror" aside, Trek was never really about action and battles. It was about science fiction, and the allegorical stories SF can tell, and most decent SF isn't battle-driven.

I like substance. Really, I like it a lot. Give me a universe, an absolutely epic, intricate and complicated story and lots of personal character development that continue over a long course. Both in a series and in a movie.
Okay. On this we can agree. I like Lost, for instance. Also pretty much everything Joss Whedon's ever done.

I just don't see anything at all in this movie that promises that kind of potential.

To be honest, I would have liked it if the new Star Trek movie was split in 2 parts, where there would be a lot more substance (and more action to offset it with). But then again, I doubt as many people would watch it as they have done now.
Well, I don't think the mass audience is as dumb (or at least impatient) as Paramount seems to believe. If it really is, though, and if maximizing audience has to trump fidelity to the material, then frankly we're in a no-win scenario, because Trek designed to sell to that audience is no better than no Trek at all.
 
I think after I see this movie again this evening I'm going to watch TWOK on DVD. As one reviewer has observed, the movies probably bookend one another quite well.

As a production, the new movie simply blows the rest of the Franchise out of the water.
 
The Motion Picture
The Search for Spock
The Undiscovered Country
The Final Frontier
Star Trek
The Wrath of Khan
Generations
First Contact
Insurrection
Nemesis


I really liked the cast though, I think they could have carried a straight re-boot (without the time travel elements).
 
I'm not sure I can even rate the new film on the same scale as the original ten films. The new Star Trek is a whole new ballgame and I just don't think it is fair to the older films to try to compare the two. If I had to right now, having only seen the new one once, this is what I would come up with:

11) Nemesis
10) Insurrection
9) Final Frontier
8) Generations
7) Search for Spock
6) The Motion Picture
5) The Voyage Home
4) The Undiscovered Country
3) First Contact
2) Star Trek 2009
1) Wrath of Khan

Really, First Contact and the new film are pretty much tied for my second favorite, although I must say that to me, all the films above Final Frontier on my scale are enjoyable for me to rewatch over and over. And who knows where the 09 movie will fall once I've seen it a few times and the impact has had time to "settle" in my brain.
 
1. Wrath Of Khan
2. First Contact
3. Star Trek
4. Voyage Home
5. Undiscovered Country
6. Search For Spock
7. Nemesis
8. Generations
9. Insurrection
10. Final Frontier
11. Motion Picture
 
What I can't believe is how highly "First Contact" is regarded. I liked it, but it's really just a for-modern-Trekkies-only programmer. Somewhere less well-made than "The Voyage Home" but definitely a lot better than the other TNG-based movies or ST III or ST V.
 
What in the world has caused some of you to have TMP so high?

The Directors Edition is far superior to any other version of TMP, and TMP did a far better job of capturing the spirit of TOS than any other films, even though the costumes were campy and the film was a mashup of two or three episodes that had come before.

Same reason I enjoy Trek V... the moments with the crew we love so much, in spite of the story which has huge holes.

Rob+
 
  1. Star Trek 09
  2. Star Trek II
  3. Star Trek IV
  4. Star Trek VI
  5. Star Trek First Contact
  6. Star Trek III
  7. Star Trek TMP
  8. Star Trek Generations
  9. Star Trek Nemesis
  10. Star Trek Insurrection
  11. Star Trek V
 
:techman:I thought it one of the best (II, IV and VI are up there). I have to say I saw the new movie with several people that were not fans of any of the Trek movies, but they left the movie last night new fans of Star Trek.
 
What in the world has caused some of you to have TMP so high?


I liked it better for its scope - and the fact that it recreated Trek after the show had been dead for ten years - than I liked most of the overgrown TV episodes that were released as Trek movies.

This morning, I can't even get past Star Trek, TWOK and TMP in making a list of Trek movies that I give a damn about.
 
What I can't believe is how highly "First Contact" is regarded. I liked it, but it's really just a for-modern-Trekkies-only programmer. Somewhere less well-made than "The Voyage Home" but definitely a lot better than the other TNG-based movies or ST III or ST V.

For me, most of the love for First Contact is sentimental...I was a huge, huge TNG fan when it came out and the notion of a new Enterprise, Borg and all that stuff made up for other flaws the film might have had.
 
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