B5: Objects at Rest...I don't know if I like it

[Neroon]

Technically, while it may have been the end of Lennier's arc, we have no idea what happened between the events in "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light".

We do know a little even though we haven't seen it as part of the 'documentary'.

Spoiler: Crusade

In the early drafts of "The Path of Sorrows" and confirmed in the script books, Lennier would have been involved with Lyta's side in the Telepath War and would have been killed in the bombing of the Psi Corps headquarters.

Jan

That's a good point. However, I tend to dismiss it because that aspect never made it to film for that particular entry. Consequently, it's not what I'd consider to be a part of the whole story we are told.

 

[Jan]

While I always liked Lyta, I felt that the back half of S5 started to paint her as an antagonistic figure, to the point that she started to become less sympathetic a character. The thought of Lyta going to war with the PsiCorps (and thus starting that conflict)... I dunno. PsiCorps is evil and all but she seems to be becoming the evil she fights against.

I felt much the same way the first time I watched the series but the next time around I noticed much more just how people would use her when they needed her and just ignore her the rest of the time. Byron was right when he taunted her as being a 'good little lapdog'.

That said, we never saw anything to indicate that she did anything but become a terrorist immediately. While that might have been due to the people doing the actual bombing back on Earth, at the very least she recruited people that she couldn't properly control.

And also, what would Lennier's motivation be to work with Lyta? Did they even have a scene together in the entire show? He also has no motivation to fight the PsiCorps, unless he's just looking for ANY cause to die fighting for.

That could well be it. If he had a reckless disregard for his own life before his declaration of love to Delenn, I didn't notice it. Once he became a ranger, though, he most certainly did.

We do know a little even though we haven't seen it as part of the 'documentary'.

Spoiler: Crusade

In the early drafts of "The Path of Sorrows" and confirmed in the script books, Lennier would have been involved with Lyta's side in the Telepath War and would have been killed in the bombing of the Psi Corps headquarters.

Jan

That's a good point. However, I tend to dismiss it because that aspect never made it to film for that particular entry. Consequently, it's not what I'd consider to be a part of the whole story we are told.

I think we can consider it canon since it was part of the Crusade Writer's Bible as well as confirmed in the script books. You're right, though-JMS could decide to do something different right up until we actually *see* it happen.

Jan

 

[Neroon]

You're right, though-JMS could decide to do something different right up until we actually *see* it happen.

Jan

Noooo.... he'd never do that, would he?

 

[Elemental]

^I think the only true canon JMS considers there to be is what is in his head. I sometimes wonder if the whole documentary aspect of B5 was meant as a reflection that the true story is what is in his head and the series we saw is just the most accurate as was able to be produced given the limitations of the industry.

 

[JoeD80]

I dunno. PsiCorps is evil and all but she seems to be becoming the evil she fights against. And also, what would Lennier's motivation be to work with Lyta? Did they even have a scene together in the entire show? He also has no motivation to fight the PsiCorps, unless he's just looking for ANY cause to die fighting for.

I get the feeling we would have learned a lot of this in the feature film that WB for whatever reason decided not to do. The film was to concentrate on the telepath war and the factions involved. Perhaps it will end up in the graphic novel if it ever gets published.

Technically, while it may have been the end of Lennier's arc, we have no idea what happened between the events in "Objects At Rest" and "Sleeping In Light".

We do know a little even though we haven't seen it as part of the 'documentary'.

Spoiler: Crusade

In the early drafts of "The Path of Sorrows" and confirmed in the script books, Lennier would have been involved with Lyta's side in the Telepath War and would have been killed in the bombing of the Psi Corps headquarters.

Jan

That's a good point. However, I tend to dismiss it because that aspect never made it to film for that particular entry. Consequently, it's not what I'd consider to be a part of the whole story we are told.

You still know Lennier is in fact dead, because he's toasted to as an absent friend in Sleeping in Light.

 

[Jan]

I get the feeling we would have learned a lot of this in the feature film that WB for whatever reason decided not to do. The film was to concentrate on the telepath war and the factions involved. Perhaps it will end up in the graphic novel if it ever gets published.

FWIW, if you're talking about the TMoS (The Memory of Shadows) feature, all reports indicate that the subject of that one *wasn't* the telepath war. Rather, from what JMS indicated at the Hawthorne con, it would have furthered the Crusade story some more.

I'm not sure if that's what you're referring to, though. TMOS dead-ended because the entity that optioned the movie and commissioned the script couldn't put the financial package together. Yes, WB passed on it unless there were big-name stars attached but if the entity could have put the deal together WB needn't have been involved at all, or perhaps only as distributor.

So the Telepath War is still fair game for a feature film if JMS decides to.

Jan

 

[Harvey]

^^
Perhaps Joe is referring to the telepath war film that was given an all too brief summary in the Movie Scriptbook?

 

[JoeD80]

^^
Perhaps Joe is referring to the telepath war film that was given an all too brief summary in the Movie Scriptbook?

Yep, that is what I was referring to.