Wolverine And The X-Men - anyone watching?

[darkwing_duck1]

It's okay, not great. I wish they would let wolverine just cut loose for once and go ''berzerker'' and hack/slash some villians, blood ''N'' guts flying everywhere and afterwards have him smoke a cigar! I know it's a ''kids'' show and it will never happen, but I can dream

Have you seen the "Hulk Vs" dvd? It has a short "Hulk vs. Wolverine" which is something of a prequel to this series. The animation is similar, and the voice actor for Wolverine is the same; the Weapon X characters are introduced there - and there's a sequel to it in the series called "Wolverine vs. Hulk". And this dvd prequel is very bloody. Deadpool has a very memorable scene.

HOLD ON!! DEAD-POOL! ''THE'' DEAD-POOL is in this? the merc with a mouth is in the DVD?! I love that ''nut'' he's my favorite marvel charactor!He's damned funny as hell to! Has anybody here read DEAD-POOL/secret invasion? or the recent one-shot? PRICELESS!

Yeah, and he's pretty accurate to his original too!

HINT: like with the Iron Man movie, watch all the way through the closing credits

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

Hulk Vs. Wolverine and Hulk Vs. Thor

I didn't realize Deadpool was such a goofball

 

[exodus]

i really don't like one minor uninteresting character being billed as "top dog" when there's no logical reason that he would have lasted this long. his powers compared to the others are nothing and the fact that he's being marketed s one of the most powerful is absolute garbage. HE ruined x3 because the film's story was tailored so that the idiot can be at the center of it all. i just don't get his popularity.

and leading from that first reason he's on every damned marvel title. it wouldn't surprise me if we see him on every dc comics title now... >_< it's just ridiculous for this one damned character to get all the stories and spotlight when he's really not that much. very annoying. i think of him as the jar jar of the marvel universe.

I think you might be missing the joke of irony, they even poke fun of it in the films too. About how Wolverine is the center of attention but the plots and story focus is never about him. Not one X-Men story or plot is ever about Wolverine, just go thru all the major stories & plots.

God Loves Man Kills
PHoenix Saga
Dark Phoenix Saga
Days of Future's Past
Extinction Agenda
X-Ecutioner's Song
Age Of Apocalypse
Infernio

the list goes on...

Even the films:
First plot was to get & use Rogue
Second was to get and use Charles
Third was to get and use Phoenix

Wolvie isn't top dog, he just a means to an end to carry the story along.

exactly. so when they took some of those great story arcs and tried to make them wolvercrap-centric they came up with... crap, for lack of a better word. trying to make the story not center on the focus of the story is just stupid. the third movie was about the phoenix and the cure and instead it became a very short wolvercrap movie. not that he's the only one to blame for that pile of a movie. they just picked the wrong people for it. first the director... come on. they thought getting a fluf comedy director would do well with an epic drama? who's bright idea was that. second, the writer. that guy needs to be shot dead. i don't know how he managed to turn two great story arcs into one very short bore-fest. that's quite an accomplishment really. one would almost think it was done deliberately. those two stories combined should have netted at least 3 hours worth of movie and not 1.5 hours.

I would think it has allot to do with the studio setting a release date before one word was written of the script. The entire movie production had to scramble to get the film written, casted and done before May. If they were put undersuch impossable restrictions, I have no doubt we would have gotten a better film.

The fact is, Huge Jackman is the only big draw to the X-Men films for the mass public. Thanks to him, he allows us to bring our gf's to a film they otherwise would have no interest in. That creates more bank for the film. After all, the movie industry is still first & foremost a business. Wolvie & Jackman pull and audience & a profit, due to that you have to use them or risk loosing money.

 

[darkwing_duck1]

I just don't get all the Wolverine hate in here. Ok, he's overexposed. Hell, one could argue ANY major Marvel character has been overexposed at one point in their existence or another. Honestly, I think that (as good as he is), Spider-Man is overexposed.

Wolverine was a significant advance in the evolution of Marvel characters: a prototype anti-hero. A "dangerous good guy". I remember something that one of his creators said (this is from memory, so it's not 100% but close):

Wolverine is a character that you're glad he's on your side because you DON'T want to be on the other side of. He's also very volatile. Kitty Pryde could walk into the kitchen to find Wolverine reading the newspaper and accidently say or do the wrong thing. Cyclops would then come running to see what the disturbance was and find the kitchen plastered with "Kitty bits" and Wolverine back to calmly reading the newspaper.

He was (and is) a vital balancing character for the X-Men. Pragmatist to their idealistism. Rationalist to their emotional compassion. And yes, the "enforcer" that ANY cause has hidden away somewhere or another, acknowledged or not. The man who does the "hard things" that the others either cannot bring themselves to do, or cannot afford to be SEEN doing.

The Scott/Jean/Logan triangle was always interesting because for Jean Logan represented her wild side, her inner passion (esp when she's a Phoenix host) that "Stick up his a** Summers" could never accept, let alone be.

 

[Christopher]

It's true that Wolverine as written by Claremont was an intriguing character, because he not only brought some darkness and edge to the book, but he had an inner complexity as he struggled to control that darkness, to become something more than a berserker. The problem is that too many subsequent writers have made him into a caricature of himself, abandoning the nuance of his struggles with his inner demons and just making him a one-dimensional killing machine who can't shut up about being the best there is at what he does. Which is partly a symptom of the fad of ultraviolence that swept through comics in the '80s and '90s, but partly a cause of it as well. Like so many things, Wolverine has value in restrained and balanced use, but not so much in excess.

 

[V]

I'm watching this serious religiously; it's arguably the best show on television, animated or not.

 

[RoJoHen]

I'm watching this serious religiously; it's arguably the best show on television, animated or not.

I'd like to emphasize the word "arguably."

 

[c0rnedfr0g]

^^ Agreed. It's good for a kid's show, but simplistic by standards set by BSG.

 

[miraclefan]

^^ Agreed. It's good for a kid's show, but simplistic by standards set by BSG.

^Try to pass that by the censors on nick!

 

[Ethros]

Where is US TV up to now with it?

As the season progresses nearer the end and the arc plot really kicks in it definitely rises far above your average "kids" TV fair. Esp Kids TV of today, which just all seems such cack now to what it was

 

[Christopher]

As the season progresses nearer the end and the arc plot really kicks in it definitely rises far above your average "kids" TV fair.

I hope so, since it's been fairly mediocre so far.

Esp Kids TV of today, which just all seems such cack now to what it was

How narrowly are you defining "today?" It's been less than nine months since the series finale of Avatar: The Last Airbender, which was the most brilliant kids' TV show in a generation or more. And there's some pretty good kid-oriented programming on currently; Batman: The Brave and the Bold has proven a major hit and deservedly so, and Ben 10: Alien Force (from former Justice League staffers) just had a very impressive series finale last week. And Star Wars: The Clone Wars has gotten mixed but often positive reviews.

 

[exodus]

^How narrowly are you defining "good"?

4 shows out of how many networks that have childrens programming?
If we were to apply that to adult programming, the original comment still has merit.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

This is a pretty good show.

Wolverine is a bit of a dick on WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. Take this past week's episode with Mr. Sinister. "You'll start a war." This from the guy who stirred up shit the prior week with Sabretooth and weapon-x people, despite warnings from Prof. X not to go looking. (Is Emma Frost really on their side?)

One thing I've noticed is that Cyclops as a character in the toons and movies seems to be defined by only two things: wanting Jean and hostility towards Wolverine. That's it. He sucks. He's the outmoded straight-laced good guy in a post-Punisher/Spawn/Wolverine world. All he can do is breakdown and act against character by playing the loose cannon that he is not and fail at that.

Shit, Jean Grey's main role is object of lust/victim. She's not much better.

And ugh, I like Clancy Brown, but he'd done few animated baddy voices too many.

 

[Anwar]

Well, he's doing the voice of Gwen Stacy's Police Captain father (Spidey's answer to Commissioner Gordon) in Spectacular Spiderman.

As for Scott, I liked his character more in EVO.

 

[Christopher]

I think they pretty much had to leave Scott in a bad place in this series so that there'd be a reason why Wolverine is leading the team instead of him. Although really, if Scott were too screwed up to lead, then Storm should be leading. But when Charles put Logan in charge, Storm was gone. I guess.

I find the level of property damage inflicted in this episode to be implausible. The repair costs would've run into seven or eight figures, there were probably numerous injuries, and Scott could've easily killed people by blasting through the pavement from below without having any idea who was up there. By all rights, the MRD, the National Guard, maybe the Army would've been called in as a response to these events. This is a major disaster caused by one man, and it shouldn't be just forgotten about. Certainly not by the X-Men themselves. Scott's negligence and destructiveness here were criminal, and he should be held accountable for it.

And why is Jamie Madrox one of the bad guys? I guess because he was a bad guy in the third movie -- but I don't get why he was a bad guy there. Did he go through a bad-guy phase in the comics? Although in both cases, maybe it's just because his power makes him a useful adversary for the heroes.

 

[Capt_Piett]

I was watching...but for some reason, my Tivo only recorded 2 episodes of it, then couldn't find it anymore anywhere. I guess I'll get the DVDs when they release the full season....

 

[exodus]

This is a pretty good show.

Wolverine is a bit of a dick on WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. Take this past week's episode with Mr. Sinister. "You'll start a war." This from the guy who stirred up shit the prior week with Sabretooth and weapon-x people, despite warnings from Prof. X not to go looking. (Is Emma Frost really on their side?)

One thing I've noticed is that Cyclops as a character in the toons and movies seems to be defined by only two things: wanting Jean and hostility towards Wolverine. That's it. He sucks. He's the outmoded straight-laced good guy in a post-Punisher/Spawn/Wolverine world. All he can do is breakdown and act against character by playing the loose cannon that he is not and fail at that.

Shit, Jean Grey's main role is object of lust/victim. She's not much better.

And ugh, I like Clancy Brown, but he'd done few animated baddy voices too many.

Keep watching, Emma's agenda will be revealed.

Cyclops has no personality, never has.
However, what they're showing is true even from the comics. Scott falls to pieces when ever Jean isn't around. What type of leader is that?
Still, I'm not sure why Storm isn't co-leader anymore.

 

[MNM]

i really don't like one minor uninteresting character being billed as "top dog"

You think Wolverine is a "minor" character?

 

[Anwar]

This is a pretty good show.

Wolverine is a bit of a dick on WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. Take this past week's episode with Mr. Sinister. "You'll start a war." This from the guy who stirred up shit the prior week with Sabretooth and weapon-x people, despite warnings from Prof. X not to go looking. (Is Emma Frost really on their side?)

One thing I've noticed is that Cyclops as a character in the toons and movies seems to be defined by only two things: wanting Jean and hostility towards Wolverine. That's it. He sucks. He's the outmoded straight-laced good guy in a post-Punisher/Spawn/Wolverine world. All he can do is breakdown and act against character by playing the loose cannon that he is not and fail at that.

Shit, Jean Grey's main role is object of lust/victim. She's not much better.

And ugh, I like Clancy Brown, but he'd done few animated baddy voices too many.

Keep watching, Emma's agenda will be revealed.

Cyclops has no personality, never has.
However, what they're showing is true even from the comics. Scott falls to pieces when ever Jean isn't around. What type of leader is that?
Still, I'm not sure why Storm isn't co-leader anymore.

I liked how in Earth X, when Wolverine had become a fat slob Scott was the only one who bothered trying to keep the dream alive. Even when Xaiver was dead and Jean left him for Logan (even though she was really Madylene). Evo Scott didn't seem all that Jean-dependent either (though it could've gone that way...).

 

[FreezeC77]

I was never a fan of Cyclops because of the whole Jean stuff. It was horrible in the old x-men series and in most of the comics. I've only started to enjoy him in the comics since he got together with Emma. I thought the Cyclops that Joss Whedon wrote for his Astonishing run was a really great version of him and the first time I ever actually liked the character outside of alternate-universe non-616 versions of him.

I'd comment more about the series, but I kinda cheated and watched the whole first season so don't wanna spoil things since Nick hasn't finished it off heh.