Is That All?

[Temis the Vorta]

Ah, one of my favorite perennial topics. DS9 still ranks as the series that had the most fascinating list of, maybe not topics that required answers per se, but unresolved issues that could have been extrapolated into new episodes and plot threads.

Bashir's ketracel-white cure. Why didn't he at least try to re-create it? And if he had, how would Starfleet have viewed it? As a humanitarian gesture? As a strategic advantage, which would destroy the Dominion's ability to fight, or as a potential catastrophe that would give the Doms the edge they needed to win?

The fun way to do this would of course be for the Feds to see the k-white cure as too dangerous to try out, but if the k-white supply were being choked off in the AQ, might it be a humanitarian gesture that the Feds had no choice but to offer to the starving Jems?

Tom Riker. He probably was murdered in the Cardie prison camp when they made the alliance with the Dominion, but wouldn't it be fun if he hadn't been and somehow managed to survive, even escape?

Weyoun 6's corpse. Presumably on ice back in Starfleet HQ, being studied? And tying this into the never-really-explained issue of Vorta memory transfer between one clone and the next, is there some sort of impant in his brain that allowed him to instantly step into Weyoun 5's shoes running the war effort? And what precisely made him "defective"? If the Feds knew all that, they might be able to figure out a way to re-program Vortas (via sending out a signal of some sort?) to all be as usefully defective as Weyoun 6. Worth a try, right? You destroy the whole midsection of the Dominion heirarchy at one fell swoop.

Vreenak's assassination. I have a hard time believing that the Rommies were totally bamboozled about his odd disappearance. Vreenak's enemies in the Senate, who opposed his notions about who to ally with in the war, would have been happy to quash any further investigation. But when the time was right, those same people would use Sisko and Garak's actions against them. The Feds would never want the truth to come to light. Interesting potential for blackmail there.

Dukat and Damar's adventures fighting the Klingons. I know it's not part of the main story, but it would have been fun to see a special episode or three dealing with the "unseen" stories from that period. And how exactly did Weyoun 5 meet up with Dukat and seduce him to the dark Dominion side? For that matter, how did Damar ever hook up with Dukat in the first place? And speaking of unseen events...

The Dominion War from the Cardie-Dom POV. I still feel like I got the "boring" side of the story with the oh-so-well-mannered Feddies. Imagine the fun of spying on the folks at Cardassia Prime HQ - Weyoun, Dukat, Damar and the Female Founder. That would have been an absolute riot.

Garak after the war. He would have wanted revenge against the Dominion, no doubt about it. And to rebuild the Obsidian Order with himself at the head? Too tempting to pass up.

The occupation was a ludicrous exercise in showing how eeeevil the Cards were. I could never fully buy that a civilization capable of FTL travel needs slaves to push little carts full of ore around from one end of a space station to another.

Cardie psychology was more than 50% of the mix. Otherwise, they could just invent robots to do the work (and not give them very much intelligence, since that never works out well).

 

[Praetor]

Fully concur, even if I liked the antics. I wanted to see a Marauder, damnit.

You know what? So would I! Those things were gigantic, and I suspect built with the best technology a cheap Ferengi with latinum could buy...

If Cardassia Prime doesn't fall, we don't get paid!

The war would have been over in mere weeks.

Temis, that is a great list. Particularly, the oft-overlooked ketracel white cure and the follow-up to Vreenak's assassination should have at least gotten a passing mention, or an episode. I would have also enjoyed finding out what happened to Weyoun 6's body. As much as Starfleet scientists are known for reviving people from the dead, one can't help but wonder...

 

[Astraea]

Otherwise, they could just invent robots to do the work (and not give them very much intelligence, since that never works out well).

Because, of course, oppressing sentient aliens ever works out well, either. (I have to admit...as soon as I read the front half of that sentence, I started thinking: "They evolved. They rebelled...and they Have A Plan." I guess oppressing Bajorans just takes out the work of actually having to create intelligence before it rebels against you.)

You know, they did think about doing an episode that would just have focused on the female Founder, Damar, and Weyoun. I believe that, according to the DS9 Companion, the idea got subsumed into just giving them a lot of scenes during the final S7 arc.

I would've liked to see another Tom Riker ep. (And Imzadi II made it so that they can't even bring him back in the DS9R...if I was going to erase one book from the TrekLit "canon," that would be the one, if only to open up the story possibilities.)

And the Vreenak assassination thread is one I would've liked to see.

 

[Thor Damar]

I really like Temis the Vorta's list in particular the adventures of Dukat and Damar in their lone BoP fighting againist the KE. In fact that whole period, from the Cardassian Revolution of 2372 to the coming of the Dominion, is a bit of a Lost Era from my point of view. These events where hardly ever referred to again and it was implied that the Cardassian Military dictatorship had joined the Dominion rather than a rogue Gul selling the Union down the river.(I too would have liked to have seen Weyoun first meet Dukat, what a great scene that would have been.)

They did have the 'Fun in the Dominion bunker' scenes towards the end of the series and they did work quite well but I still would have liked to see more. (I just realized that Astraea has just given a far better response than my own. Still would have loved to have seen that Episode though)

I'm also gonna add my vote to the 'show us the Marauder' faction. If you've ever read The 34th Rule you'll know that the Ferengi have a very healthy fleet of the things. I still find it had to imagine the Ferengi Alliance involved it the War, mostly because neutrality would be so much more profitable!

Also more Romies!( How about a Romulan/Cardassian alliance? And not just the Obisidan Order/Tal'shar this time).


One thing that I'm really,really pleased with? That the Borg only appeared once, thank the Prophets.

 

[Praetor]

Also more Romies!( How about a Romulan/Cardassian alliance? And not just the Obisidan Order/Tal'shar this time).

That would have been very interesting, particularly if it took place when the Klingon/Cardassian issue cropped up in season four, and might have made the Romulans' entry into the Dominion War a little more... complicated.

 

[Thor Damar]

Also more Romies!( How about a Romulan/Cardassian alliance? And not just the Obisidan Order/Tal'shar this time).

That would have been very interesting, particularly if it took place when the Klingon/Cardassian issue cropped up in season four, and might have made the Romulans' entry into the Dominion War a little more... complicated.

How so, would it have upset the Klingons who have been at war with the Cardassians, Federation and the Romulans for months thus weakling the AQ?
If it had been a problem I'm sure the Feds would have told the Klingons to STFU and accept it or they would stop holding up their bloated and inefficient Empire.
Besides it took a certain...Cardassian touch to get the RSE into the war

 

[Myasishchev]

I'm also gonna add my vote to the 'show us the Marauder' faction. If you've ever read The 34th Rule you'll know that the Ferengi have a very healthy fleet of the things. I still find it had to imagine the Ferengi Alliance involved it the War, mostly because neutrality would be so much more profitable!

I dunno, the closing days of the DW seemed like the perfect time to expand the living space and resource base of Ferengi Alliance for next to no cost, either physical or diplomatic. Daimons would have been chomping at the bit to establish their own private fiefdoms on former Cardassian colony worlds.

 

[Thor Damar]

I'm also gonna add my vote to the 'show us the Marauder' faction. If you've ever read The 34th Rule you'll know that the Ferengi have a very healthy fleet of the things. I still find it had to imagine the Ferengi Alliance involved it the War, mostly because neutrality would be so much more profitable!

I dunno, the closing days of the DW seemed like the perfect time to expand the living space and resource base of Ferengi Alliance for next to no cost, either physical or diplomatic. Daimons would have been chomping at the bit to establish their own private fiefdoms on former Cardassian colony worlds.

Indeed, but when you consider the state of Cardassian territory at the end of the war and with the allied powers establishing protectorates all over the former union, it would be more cost effective for the Ferengi to establish trade links with the Cardassians and whatever independent worlds emerge from the Union.This would spare the Daimons the onus (sic) task of administration and allow them to reap the profits, I'm sure that the Cardassians would allow the Ferengi in as trade is one of the most effective ways for them to recover (and it would show them to be effective AQ citizens thus ending the Protectorates a lot sooner).

 

[Myasishchev]

Oh,come on, where's the rape and pillage?

 

[Thor Damar]

Oh,come on, where's the rape and pillage?

Surely everyone had there fill during the War,and is rape really a Ferengi thing?
Pillage? Now that's a different matter!

(BTW I like the serious Schultz avatar Myasishchev.)

 

[Navaros]

I'd like to see Garak's feet held to the fire for all the murders and other nefarious things he's done. Not saying he should go to jail or be killed for it, but rather he should have to confront whether it is immoral or not...maybe by seeing the ruined lives of some of the family members of his victims. Could done it in a Visitor-esque way, flashing-forward to the future where Garak is older (still use AR, though).

Definitely wanted to see more Laas, especially after the genocide disease from the Feds, which pretty much strengthens all of Laas' 100% already-rock-solid arguments by 10 billion fold, whilst destroying all of Odo's pro-human propaganda to the same degree.

Quark's Cardassian lover should come back to him and he marries her and then does something better with his life. He pretty much got royally screwed as a character in WYLB.

Rom being assasinated by an insurgency and then the Ferengis returning back to their real ways would have been awesome.

The Rommies should have found out about the Sisko's deception and then declared war on the Feds.

I feel they dropped the ball way too fast on the changelings using infiltration to impersonate humans. Although on the other hand, I'm glad they didn't beat a dead horse with that concept for infinity like other lesser shows do. But it could have been used for more than 2 episodes.

They should have had some changelings using T-1000-esque powers to kick butt directly on the front lines of the War.

The Jem'Hadar ability to materialize whereever the heck they want (in the Station, etc.) should have been used much more, in addition to their invisibility; both of which it seems were dropped out of the blue due to lazy writing IMO.

A follow up is needed about the success of the Geiger project.

 

[Myasishchev]

^I personally didn't mind that they nixed the early ability of the Dominion to treat shields as no obstacle to transporters are weapons. Otherwise, they would have been way too powerful to deal with in any reasonable fashion.

They should have had some changelings using T-1000-esque powers to kick butt directly on the front lines of the War.

I agree, the Ship would've been a perfect opportunity for this.

The Rommies should have found out about the Sisko's deception and then declared war on the Feds.

The Romulans joining the Dominion would've been too unbeatable, and also soured the message Pale Moonlight was, imo, trying to get across--that sometimes the ends do justify the means, that there can be a moral calculus.

I would have liked to have seen an episode where Sisko regrets it, because the Romulans are amoral killers (or actual warfighters, depending on your POV) who'd obliterate the surface of a Cardassian planet as a matter of course, rather than expend resources attempting to occupy it.

Rom being assasinated by an insurgency and then the Ferengis returning back to their real ways would have been awesome.

Could've worked.

A follow up is needed about the success of the Geiger project.

A throwaway reference, maybe Weyoun bringing in Geiger to try to cure the Founders' Disease with Cellular Entertainment Therapy. Of course, she would probably eat him or something.

Definitely wanted to see more Laas, especially after the genocide disease from the Feds, which pretty much strengthens all of Laas' 100% already-rock-solid arguments by 10 billion fold, whilst destroying all of Odo's pro-human propaganda to the same degree.

Agree. If the whole Dukat Descending arc had just been deleted (and good riddance), time could've been made for this more interesting thread.

I feel they dropped the ball way too fast on the changelings using infiltration to impersonate humans. Although on the other hand, I'm glad they didn't beat a dead horse with that concept for infinity like other lesser shows do. But it could have been used for more than 2 episodes.

Fully concur. Not to the extent of BSG's Cylons, to be sure, but more than just Bashir (for a couple of weeks, at that).

Sorry I took these out of order. I intended to reply to only the Jem shrouding thing one, but there were a lot of good ideas there.

Surely everyone had there fill during the War,and is rape really a Ferengi thing?
Pillage? Now that's a different matter!

(BTW I like the serious Schultz avatar Myasishchev.)

Gatsby was the only image I had that fit the size requirements. No rescaling on TrekBBS and I couldn't be bothered to resize anything else.

 

[Anthony Sabre]

Life on Cardassia after the Occupation but before the Dominion Wor war - Would have been interesting to follow Dukat home to Cardassia and see his family. Also see how everyday citizens live their lives under a regime as facist as Cardassia was.

More Gamma quadrant cultures - The few worlds/races we saw in the GQ seemed like plot devices to facilitate some kind of battle/conflict between the DS9 crew and the Dominion. I'd like to have seen the Fed try to do the same the Dom was doing: entice some worlds into leaving or rebelling against the Dominion, maybe with disastrous results for both parties.

 

[Yassim]

Odo's participation in the Cardassian police.

I know we got Necessary Evil and Things Past: Necessary Evil Redux but the idea that ONCE Odo sent innocent people to judgment at the hands of the Cardassians... ridiculous. The idea that the Bajorans would be grateful for all the work he did... ridiculous.

Odo must have walked a fine line many times, and been accused by both sides, of things he had and hadn't done. There's no way he kept his hands clean for four years (?) working security with the Cardassians. Yet on day one, he's the Constable... it needed more.