Awesome! Nothing, and I mean NOTHING is more important to the integrity of Star Trek than Gary Mitchell!
Canon Wars : Chapter XI
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Awesome! Nothing, and I mean NOTHING is more important to the integrity of Star Trek than Gary Mitchell!
That sounds like a challenge to me.
All kidding aside, speaking as someone who sees himself in the "canon doesn't matter (all that much)" camp, I think this sounds like very good news. (Although, listening closely to what these guys have said over the last months would reveal that this isn't news at all.) However, I hope this brings some people to enjoy the movie more open-minded; without them having to worry about established Trek canon. I'm afraid though, that people who expect a canon explanation for everything (even the look of the ship etc.) will still be disappointed.
Sorry, guys, for coming late to the party - with different time zones and all - but I'm with you all the way...
Looks like the more balanced and saner minds are the last ones still standing.
That sounds like a challenge to me.
All kidding aside, speaking as someone who sees himself in the "canon doesn't matter (all that much)" camp, I think this sounds like very good news. (Although, listening closely to what these guys have said over the last months would reveal that this isn't news at all.
I don't see why one little throwaway line à la Terminator II ("It [cyborg arm] took us in directions we'd never thought of" yadda yadda), regarding the reverse engineering of some 24th century tech brought back by Nero, wouldn't be sufficient to address the look of the ship. Technology affects culture, and so it affects asthetics, like the look of the ship, uniforms, etc. I don't need to hear ALL of that connected point-by-point in the story. We're smart enough to fill in those blanks as long as it's understood that some accelerated tech advancement has taken place. That would be sufficient to assuage my revisionism anxiety
Well I have a Quantum Canon Cannon and everyone knows quantums pawn photons so there
I don't see why one little throwaway line à la Terminator II ("It [cyborg arm] took us in directions we'd never thought of" yadda yadda), regarding the reverse engineering of some 24th century tech brought back by Nero, wouldn't be sufficient to address the look of the ship. Technology affects culture, and so it affects asthetics, like the look of the ship, uniforms, etc. I don't need to hear ALL of that connected point-by-point in the story. We're smart enough to fill in those blanks as long as it's understood that some accelerated tech advancement has taken place. That would be sufficient to assuage my revisionism anxiety
Yep, and, although it might be a little bit far-fetched, there is also the possibility of a temporal Star Trek-style cargo cult.
No. Kirk is in the hallways of the academy and walks past Gary Mitchell with a stack of books. Mitchell calls him "longhair" and says "Hey man -- don't forget your date tonight with the little blonde lab technician". Then Kirk goes into the bathroom where he sees Finnegan. Finnegan knocks the books out Jimmy-boy's hands, gives him a wedgie and a "swirly", then takes him into the hallway where he traps Jimmy in a locker for 60 minutes.
I'll buy that for a dollar!
But we mustn't forget Cadet Nerdlinger and all the other whacky members of the Starfleet Academy of Hard Knockers... or was it Cadets McKay, Van Dusen III and Jerkovski of the Starfleet's T&A Academy?
Well I have a Quantum Canon Cannon and everyone knows quantums pawn photons so there
I have transphasic photorp canon cannons and ablative canon batmobile armor.
So THERE!
Also, the actor playing Gary Mitchell will appear at the end of the movie as his half-Romulan time-displaced son, Selo.
(Incidentally, why does no one seem concerned about THE WOMEN?
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That sounds like a challenge to me.
All kidding aside, speaking as someone who sees himself in the "canon doesn't matter (all that much)" camp, I think this sounds like very good news. (Although, listening closely to what these guys have said over the last months would reveal that this isn't news at all.
I don't see why one little throwaway line à la Terminator II ("It [cyborg arm] took us in directions we'd never thought of" yadda yadda), regarding the reverse engineering of some 24th century tech brought back by Nero, wouldn't be sufficient to address the look of the ship. Technology affects culture, and so it affects asthetics, like the look of the ship, uniforms, etc. I don't need to hear ALL of that connected point-by-point in the story. We're smart enough to fill in those blanks as long as it's understood that some accelerated tech advancement has taken place. That would be sufficient to assuage my revisionism anxiety
Shatner already explained our 'accelerated tech advancement' a couple years ago on Discovery with "How William Shatner Changed the World". Kirk's crew visited the 60s and inspired several generations of science nerds to give us an unimagineable tech explosion. Totally explains ENT and the new movie.
Talk is cheap and so is lip service. We'll see whether they're considerate of canon or not when we see the movie. I suspect not.
Personally, I think they're just selectively taking what works for them and modifying it as they see fit (writers, producers, director). It's based on the Star Trek universe, but it willfully violates canon already in various degrees (character ages, character time line, ship creation, ship design, etc.). This is "alternate Star Trek", pure and simple.
Personally, I think they're just selectively taking what works for them and modifying it as they see fit (writers, producers, director). It's based on the Star Trek universe, but it willfully violates canon already in various degrees (character ages, character time line, ship creation, ship design, etc.). This is "alternate Star Trek", pure and simple.
OTOH, time travel has always been used as a pretext for changing the past, and i find this multiverse explanation far more plausible than the DS9/FC "we got caught in the [technobabble] field so we didn't change" explanation. i agree, this is alternate ST, pure and simple, and it is "canon," pure and simple. "canon" is a construct anyhow. it's semiotic nonsense. asking someone what "canon" is is like asking someone what "God" is.
Good! Then they're doing it just like the TOS writers back in the day.
For example?
You know, this movie is about a guy from the future who alters the timeline. So I don't see your point.
Like how?
Why did the bridge of the Klingon Bird-of-Prey change it's look from TSFS to TVH?
This is nonsense. The only details they care about are the ones that mainstream audiences recognizes. The USS Enterprise, Spock has pointy ear, Kirk is a man-whore, McCoy will say "I'm a doctor not a <insert occupation>". The rest they'll beat down to the lowest common denominator.
JJ Abrams are trying to bait us while laughing at us "geeks" behind our backs. The whole point is to make mindless crap that will have huge opening weekends and corresponding large DVD sales.
JJ Abrams are trying to bait us while laughing at us "geeks" behind our backs. The whole point is to make mindless crap that will have huge opening weekends and corresponding large DVD sales.
then why was Nimoy a part of it? why did his wife like it so much she "didn't want it to end"? can you picture a bigger geek than J.J.? The guy looks like a certifiable stereotypical 50s pocket-protector dweeb. if he baited me, he did a pretty good job, because i haven't cared about any new trek for 10 years until now.
Oh, I hope so. It's about damned time.
Oh, I'm sure they will in fact change some details that will never be noticed by the average moviegoer...
...but how exactly does changing a detail equate to "beat[ing] down to the lowest common denominator"? Different does not always = bad. I suppose it is possible that a changed detail could actually be better in the context of the story they are telling.
I'm wondering whether there is already a proper name for the type of paranoia some Star Trek fans seem to suffer...
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