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Space-Drill Fight Scene

Jesus christ, just watch the movie when it comes out.

If you can believe that a "universal" translator can be fit inside every humanoid's ears and be able to, in real time, translate what everyone's saying, then you can believe that a hypospray or a chewing gum can make them breath in high altitude.
 
Why are we still thinking in terms of Trek? Let's take it from terms of a good movie.

Here's an idea, why don't we judge the scene in context when we see the film?

Seriously - the crying and whining off off a fucking trailer is amazing.

Joe...did you even get what I was saying? I'm saying that instead of judging it in terms of Trek (ie: what's happened in previous incarnations), we should be judging it in terms of whether or not this is a good movie, regardless of it being Trek or not.

Does what we see so far give us joy or pause based on the merits of what we enjoy in ANY movie, not just a Trek movie.
 
I'm saying that instead of judging it in terms of Trek (ie: what's happened in previous incarnations), we should be judging it in terms of whether or not this is a good movie, regardless of it being Trek or not.
That would be perfectly fine if this movie wasn't titled Star Trek, and purport to tell the story of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, et. al. aboard the starship Enterprise. Those similarities not only invite comparison, they demand it.

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I'm saying that instead of judging it in terms of Trek (ie: what's happened in previous incarnations), we should be judging it in terms of whether or not this is a good movie, regardless of it being Trek or not.
That would be perfectly fine if this movie wasn't titled Star Trek, and purport to tell the story of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, et. al. aboard the starship Enterprise. Those similarities not only invite comparison, they demand it.

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But with it comes tons of years of precedents for stupid crap as well as the good. I'd rather judge it on ITS OWN merits.
 
I guess a lot of movies have appealed to a lot of people, but I was kind of hoping for a Star Trek movie this time. Oh well...

Please. There have been countless personal combats in TOS and other Trek productions, a sword is but a tool like any other, indeed Sulu's proficiency with a sword is lifted directly from TOS. The difference this time around is that the producers have the budget and imagination to offer us something on a level we haven't seen before.
 
I guess a lot of movies have appealed to a lot of people, but I was kind of hoping for a Star Trek movie this time. Oh well...

At least we haven't seen Jar Jar in the trailers.

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Then don't watch the movie, problem solved.
 
I guess a lot of movies have appealed to a lot of people, but I was kind of hoping for a Star Trek movie this time. Oh well...

Please. There have been countless personal combats in TOS and other Trek productions, a sword is but a tool like any other, indeed Sulu's proficiency with a sword is lifted directly from TOS. The difference this time around is that the producers have the budget and imagination to offer us something on a level we haven't seen before.


i guess i find people complaining about sulu fighting with a sword to be amusing considering naked time.
:lol:
 
What...just because he's happy doesn't mean he can't breath, she can't be that good.

OH!

I thought you were talking about the OTHER Drilling scene >.>
 
Yet the clapping and cheering isn't?

But the difference is, the clapping and cheering that we are going solely off visuals - we aren't try to say "wow plot point X was great!" because we don't have a clue.

There are certainly some folks here ready to fellate J.J. Abrams for a film largely unseen. I daresay they outnumber those on the opposite end of the spectrum too. It's reasonable to form opinions about a film based on a trailer, that's what they're there for, however I notice that statements of opinion that extend beyond that which can strictly be justified by the footage presented to date are only challenged if they're negative.

The forum is becoming hostile territory for those who don't like what they see, which may be a largely inevitable evolution but remains unfortunate for all that, rabid naysayers usually being the most entertaining of posters, or at least provoking the most entertaining discussions. ;)

Saying "the science behind scene X is rubbish" is simply retarded, because there is no context for the scene.

I doubt there's much to the scene (in terms of factors that would affect its plausibility) that we haven't already seen. Certainly I doubt that the film will offer an explicit explanation for Kirk and co. being able to breathe out there, although explanations can certainly be imagined as they have been in this thread.

Fundamentally I think it comes down to whether one cares about the issue or not. In my case, not really. If they were fighting in orbit without suits then I would raise an eyebrow. One circumstance requires a greater suspension of disbelief than the other. It's a very subjective issue, and as such seems a reasonable topic for discussion.

Hostile?

In the same way that anyone who criticised anything Trek related gets flamed and called?

Have a big word with yourself. :rolleyes:
 
But the difference is, the clapping and cheering that we are going solely off visuals - we aren't try to say "wow plot point X was great!" because we don't have a clue.

There are certainly some folks here ready to fellate J.J. Abrams for a film largely unseen. I daresay they outnumber those on the opposite end of the spectrum too. It's reasonable to form opinions about a film based on a trailer, that's what they're there for, however I notice that statements of opinion that extend beyond that which can strictly be justified by the footage presented to date are only challenged if they're negative.

The forum is becoming hostile territory for those who don't like what they see, which may be a largely inevitable evolution but remains unfortunate for all that, rabid naysayers usually being the most entertaining of posters, or at least provoking the most entertaining discussions. ;)

Saying "the science behind scene X is rubbish" is simply retarded, because there is no context for the scene.

I doubt there's much to the scene (in terms of factors that would affect its plausibility) that we haven't already seen. Certainly I doubt that the film will offer an explicit explanation for Kirk and co. being able to breathe out there, although explanations can certainly be imagined as they have been in this thread.

Fundamentally I think it comes down to whether one cares about the issue or not. In my case, not really. If they were fighting in orbit without suits then I would raise an eyebrow. One circumstance requires a greater suspension of disbelief than the other. It's a very subjective issue, and as such seems a reasonable topic for discussion.

Hostile?

In the same way that anyone who criticised anything Trek related gets flamed and called?

Have a big word with yourself. :rolleyes:

Go away. :)
 
That would be perfectly fine if this movie wasn't titled Star Trek, and purport to tell the story of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, et. al. aboard the starship Enterprise. Those similarities not only invite comparison, they demand it.
But with it comes tons of years of precedents for stupid crap as well as the good.
What you say is true, which begs the question of why make a movie about a show full of "stupid crap" to begin with?


Please. There have been countless personal combats in TOS and other Trek productions, a sword is but a tool like any other, indeed Sulu's proficiency with a sword is lifted directly from TOS.
The bothersome part isn't that Sulu can use a sword, it's that he chooses to use one at a seemingly inopportune time. And isn't it lucky that he thought to take it with him on this mission?


Then don't watch the movie, problem solved.
That may be the case, depending on the feedback I get after the movie opens. Thank you for your sage advice.


i guess i find people complaining about sulu fighting with a sword to be amusing considering naked time.
And I find the idea that Sulu carries a sword around with him on all his missions to be somewhat ridiculous. To each his own.

Contrary to how it may seem, I haven't given up on this movie. It may actually make a fairly entertaining alternate universe Star Trek story, but I would personally rather have visited the 'real' Star Trek universe once again.

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The bothersome part isn't that Sulu can use a sword, it's that he chooses to use one at a seemingly inopportune time. And isn't it lucky that he thought to take it with him on this mission?

Perhaps he habitually carries it around, in addition to the standard issue phaser, on away missions that call for a weapon.

Sulu discusses his fencing prowess with Kirk earlier in the film, so it doesn't come out of nowhere.
 
...The bothersome part isn't that Sulu can use a sword, it's that he chooses to use one at a seemingly inopportune time. And isn't it lucky that he thought to take it with him on this mission...

...I find the idea that Sulu carries a sword around with him on all his missions to be somewhat ridiculous. To each his own.
Do we know that Sulu brought that sword with him? The guy he is fighting also has a sword; perhaps Sulu's sword actually belongs to one of the guys on the platform.

Furthermore, the fact the nobody seems to have a phaser (neither good guys nor the "bad" guys) makes me wonder if perhaps phasers would not function properly on the platform.
 
There are certainly some folks here ready to fellate J.J. Abrams for a film largely unseen. I daresay they outnumber those on the opposite end of the spectrum too. It's reasonable to form opinions about a film based on a trailer, that's what they're there for, however I notice that statements of opinion that extend beyond that which can strictly be justified by the footage presented to date are only challenged if they're negative.

The forum is becoming hostile territory for those who don't like what they see, which may be a largely inevitable evolution but remains unfortunate for all that, rabid naysayers usually being the most entertaining of posters, or at least provoking the most entertaining discussions. ;)



I doubt there's much to the scene (in terms of factors that would affect its plausibility) that we haven't already seen. Certainly I doubt that the film will offer an explicit explanation for Kirk and co. being able to breathe out there, although explanations can certainly be imagined as they have been in this thread.

Fundamentally I think it comes down to whether one cares about the issue or not. In my case, not really. If they were fighting in orbit without suits then I would raise an eyebrow. One circumstance requires a greater suspension of disbelief than the other. It's a very subjective issue, and as such seems a reasonable topic for discussion.

Hostile?

In the same way that anyone who criticised anything Trek related gets flamed and called?

Have a big word with yourself. :rolleyes:

Go away. :)

No ;)
 
...The bothersome part isn't that Sulu can use a sword, it's that he chooses to use one at a seemingly inopportune time. And isn't it lucky that he thought to take it with him on this mission...

...I find the idea that Sulu carries a sword around with him on all his missions to be somewhat ridiculous. To each his own.
Do we know that Sulu brought that sword with him? The guy he is fighting also has a sword; perhaps Sulu's sword actually belongs to one of the guys on the platform.

Furthermore, the fact the nobody seems to have a phaser (neither good guys nor the "bad" guys) makes me wonder if perhaps phasers would not function properly on the platform.


that is what i suspected.
that sulu got the sword from another romulan.
i like your thought why a sword.
as in dune perhaps there is an explanation why in that circumstance they are using swords.
 
...The bothersome part isn't that Sulu can use a sword, it's that he chooses to use one at a seemingly inopportune time. And isn't it lucky that he thought to take it with him on this mission...

...I find the idea that Sulu carries a sword around with him on all his missions to be somewhat ridiculous. To each his own.
Do we know that Sulu brought that sword with him? The guy he is fighting also has a sword; perhaps Sulu's sword actually belongs to one of the guys on the platform.

Furthermore, the fact the nobody seems to have a phaser (neither good guys nor the "bad" guys) makes me wonder if perhaps phasers would not function properly on the platform.

Seems reasonable enough of itself, but TrekMovie suggests otherwise.
 
...The bothersome part isn't that Sulu can use a sword, it's that he chooses to use one at a seemingly inopportune time. And isn't it lucky that he thought to take it with him on this mission...

...I find the idea that Sulu carries a sword around with him on all his missions to be somewhat ridiculous. To each his own.
Do we know that Sulu brought that sword with him? The guy he is fighting also has a sword; perhaps Sulu's sword actually belongs to one of the guys on the platform.

Furthermore, the fact the nobody seems to have a phaser (neither good guys nor the "bad" guys) makes me wonder if perhaps phasers would not function properly on the platform.

Seems reasonable enough of itself, but TrekMovie suggests otherwise.

Hmm. Well, if trekmovie.com is right, then I hope the fact Sulu has the sword will be made believable by the context of the film.
 
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I have it on good authority that much of the film's second act is devoted to exploring Sulu's psychological insecurities regarding the size of his penis and hence his habitual carrying around of an extensible phallic weapon.
 
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