Pike "in" with Old Spock?

[MichaelStivic]

After watching trailers 2 and 3, it seems like Captain Pike has a strong interest in getting Kirk to join Starfleet and become the hero/legend that he became in the original timeline.

One of the things about the movie that confuses me is when on Pike's watch of the Enterprise it takes place and how Kirk could become captain of the Enterprise shortly out of Starfleet Academy before being assigned to the Farragut.

But one of the things that seems possible is that Old Spock gets in touch with Captain Pike, perhaps using the mind meld for convincing, and enlists him on the mission to bring Kirk into Starfleet and on board the Enterprise earlier.

Pike's zest for Kirk seems like it may be generated by Old Spock, as we never saw or heard of an extreme interest by Pike in Kirk previously.

 

[SalvorHardin]

One of the things about the movie that confuses me is when on Pike's watch of the Enterprise it takes place and how Kirk could become captain of the Enterprise shortly out of Starfleet Academcy before being assigned to the Farragut.

Well, the simplest and more possible answer to that is that Kirk's Farragut service is one of the things Nero's actions and time travel change.

But one of the things that seems possible is that Old Spock gets in touch with Captain Pike, perhaps using the mind meld for convincing, and enlists him on the mission to bring Kirk into Starfleet and on board the Enterprise earlier.

Pike's zest for Kirk seems like it may be generated by Old Spock, as we never saw or heard of an extreme interest by Pike in Kirk previously.

I doubt any of this will happen.

Pike's interest most likely stems from knowing and respecting Kirk's now dead father.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

how Kirk could become captain of the Enterprise shortly out of Starfleet Academcy

I doubt that will happen. It's just too silly to contemplate.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

One of the things about the movie that confuses me is when on Pike's watch of the Enterprise it takes place and how Kirk could become captain of the Enterprise shortly out of Starfleet Academcy before being assigned to the Farragut.

Well, the simplest and more possible answer to that is that Kirk's Farragut service is one of the things Nero's actions and time travel change.

Salvor --
you may be right, or perhaps Kirk DOES spend time on the Farragut but this film does not cover that. I suppose it's possible that we see Kirk graduate the academy, then the film "fast forward" several years to a time after the Farragut.

Pike's zest for Kirk seems like it may be generated by Old Spock, as we never saw or heard of an extreme interest by Pike in Kirk previously.

Since Pike's name was only mentioned in one two-part episode anyway (I'm not counting The Cage), I assume there is a lot about Pike we didn't know, such as the extent of Pike's and Kirk's relationship. There is nothing that would contradict Pike being Kirk's reason for entering Starfleet.

 

[SalvorHardin]

One of the things about the movie that confuses me is when on Pike's watch of the Enterprise it takes place and how Kirk could become captain of the Enterprise shortly out of Starfleet Academcy before being assigned to the Farragut.

Well, the simplest and more possible answer to that is that Kirk's Farragut service is one of the things Nero's actions and time travel change.

Salvor --
you may be right, or perhaps Kirk DOES spend time on the Farragut but this film does not cover that. I suppose it's possible that we see Kirk graduate the academy, then the film "fast forward" several years to a time after the Farragut.

It certainly is possible.
At this time we don't have enough info to eliminate either option

 

[MichaelStivic]

I also wonder if Pike will be alive at the end of the movie.

 

[SalvorHardin]

I also wonder if Pike will be alive at the end of the movie.

I sincerely hope he is.
I'd like to see Greenwood/Pike in possible sequels.

 

[BenRoethig]

Its one of those thinks were the universe tries to work itself out the best that it can. Pike and old Spock are not in league. Pike ran into Kirk by accident and out of respect for George Kirk Sr., Pike challenged him to to join Starfleet.

As the for Farragut, in destroying the Kelvin, Nero created a radically different timeline. Events as we know they did not happen. Kirk didn't join Starfleet and probably because of a greater perceived threat, the Enterprise is built 15-20 years later than it was supposed to. When we finally see Kirk in the bar, he is in his late 20s and done nothing with his life.

 

[BenRoethig]

I also wonder if Pike will be alive at the end of the movie.

I sincerely hope he is.
I'd like to see Greenwood/Pike in possible sequels.

I think we will see Greenwood at the end, but I doubt we'll see him in the sequels.

 

[jamestyler]

I think what we've seen in the trailer is all there is to it. Pike knew George Kirk as a hero, stumbled upon his son and thought he could do the same.

We know there was no time on the Farragut and that Kirk is still in training from interviews (mentioning Kirk not being assigned to a ship and the whole black shirt thing) and it might be safe to assume the delay on building the Enterprise was down to the stuff we saw at SF in the second trailer, maybe they needed to rebuild resources such as spacedock, SF fleet yards (could be why they're in Iwoa)...

...though I'm happy that we can see what Kirk's influence is when he takes over the chair, thanks to little details in that moment.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

...and the whole black shirt thing...

What exactly do we officially know about the black shirt? All we know about the black shirt is from the Entertainment Weekly Magazine article that said “Kirk spends much of Star Trek dressed in respectable black, space-cadet colors in Abrams’ Trekverse" and from Orci who said the shirt is black "for a reason".

There is not enough information to convince me that Kirk is a simple underclassman cadet when he takes over command of the Enterprise. I think he may have been in the Academy for some reason and the black may signify that, but I think perhaps he is an officer at the time.

 

[NiteTrek]

There is nothing that would contradict Pike being Kirk's reason for entering Starfleet.

Except for the fact that Kirk first met Pike when Pike was promoted to Fleet Captain.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

There is nothing that would contradict Pike being Kirk's reason for entering Starfleet.

Except for the fact that Kirk first met Pike when Pike was promoted to Fleet Captain.

Yes, that's right...

...perhaps Pike is at the bar celebrating his promotion..the same time Kirk got into a fight and Pike told him he should join Starfleet.

In The Menagerie Kirk said:
1. He met Pike when Pike was promoted to Fleet Captain, and
2. He took over the Enterprise from Pike

Kirk never said those two things happened at the same time. Those events could be separated by years.

EDIT TO ADD:
Adagio is right also (in the post below). While I personally hope they don't use the "altered timeline" excuse to explain every change, the fact is that this MAY be an altered timeline, thus different.

 

[Adagio]

There is nothing that would contradict Pike being Kirk's reason for entering Starfleet.

Except for the fact that Kirk first met Pike when Pike was promoted to Fleet Captain.

Which trailer said that Pike was Fleet Captain?

 

[Franklin]

Pike must either be killed or go MIA sometime during the picture. Otherwise, he'd stand in the way of Kirk becoming captain, as old Spock says he must do by getting Spock out of command. Also, there's a line in the trailer where McCoy says they have no captain (and no first officer, which I'd assume means Spock has relieved himself of duty).
If Pike makes it to the end, I think we'll find out by exposition that he's been found alive and promoted for his duty, and Kirk is given the Enterprise (which would fit canon if anyone still cares by then). After all, this movie is not about how Pike became a Fleet Captain, so I doubt there'll be too much about him at the end.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

...Also, there's a line in the trailer where McCoy says they have no captain (and no first officer, which I'd assume means Spock has relieved himself of duty)...

Or Spock is not Pike's First Officer.

In The Cage, Number One was...err Number One. Spock is simply the science officer. Perhaps he remains as Pike's Science Officer for a while. Perhaps since he is only a scientist (and not a command officer) during Pike's tenure as Captain, Spock does not have the credentials to be in command.

 

[Franklin]

...Also, there's a line in the trailer where McCoy says they have no captain (and no first officer, which I'd assume means Spock has relieved himself of duty)...

Or Spock is not Pike's First Officer.

In The Cage, Number One was...err Number One. Spock is simply the science officer. Perhaps he remains as Pike's Science Officer for a while. Perhaps since he is only a scientist (and not a command officer) during Pike's tenure as Captain, Spock does not have the credentials to be in command.

As we all know (the standard preface to what comes next ), the timeline is different. In "The Menagerie", Spock was said to have served with Pike for thirteen years. If this movie ends with Kirk in command and Spock as his first officer, then the current Trek "Supreme Court" obviously decided to rule against that old piece of canon. (Unless we are to believe Spock is in this thirteenth year with Pike during these events.)

Also, Pike left Spock in command when he set off to pilot the shuttle for Kirk, Sulu, Redshirt. So, that would mean his first officer was either killed before that, not on board, or Spock was first officer. He does have full commander stripes, after all.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

^
^^ Spock said he served with Pike for eleven years, not thirteen ...but that's besides the point.

We don't know how long Spock had already served with Pike at the point of this film that Kirk permanently takes command and makes Spock his First Officer...it could have been eleven years.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

There is nothing that would contradict Pike being Kirk's reason for entering Starfleet.

Except for the fact that Kirk first met Pike when Pike was promoted to Fleet Captain.

Which trailer said that Pike was Fleet Captain?

It wasn't a trailer, it was "The Menagerie".

And maybe Kirk doesn't remember his first meeting with Pike because, well, Kirk was drunk at the time and forgot.

 

[scotthm]

Or Spock is not Pike's First Officer.

In The Cage, Number One was...err Number One. Spock is simply the science officer.

I don't know how anyone who's seen the trailers can have any illusions that the makers of this movie feel obligated to adhere to any details of Trek history. We know this is an alternate reality so all bets are off. We can assume that by the end of the picture the familiar crew will be together on a ship called Enterprise, but how things got to that point is going to be different than what we 'know'.

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