Mass of the Constitution class Enterprise?
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Back to the TOS Connie, 190.000 tons seems to me a good figure for its weight, as for the nacelle thing, yes they're more massive/denser then the rest of the ship because they're filled with equipment, do I think that they contain warp coils/other tech that makes them ultra dense/heavy? Nope.
As for the Ent D, 5 million tons, but what kind of tons?
As for the Ent D, 5 million tons, but what kind of tons?
Actually, the problem is that AGAIN, we do see the inside of a warp nacelle in TNG... and they're again mostly hollow. In fact, they're pretty much laid out like the rest of the ship, only with more metal-bits exposed on the walls.
TAS (for what it's worth) shows us the inside of a Constitution class nacelle, and it's not much better about it.
As for the Ent D, 5 million tons, but what kind of tons?
Minitons, obviously!
Timo,
Well truthfully, a starship would probably have elements of ships, aircraft, submarines and even tanks. Aircraft I should note are a great deal lighter than ships for the same length, width and volume (for the simple reason that they have to fly...)
Still, ships are really the only moving objects that people spend lengthly periods of times in -- i.e. years.
JNG,
210,000 m^3 is like 2,260,500 sq. ft -- It sounds like you're a zero off... You sure this is accurate?
Shaw,
Got my attention -- after all you're doing very comprehensive diagrams of the Big-E.
I'd have to agree that a submarine is a better example than a regular surface-vessel.
That's the best strategy I can think of for going about it.
Out of curiousity, I know you're not fond of using the 1,080-foot size, but could you provide volume estimates for the Enterprise if it was of that size?
Just out of curiosity do you have upper and lower estimate?
Timo,
I suppose you have a point. It would be more of functionality with the ability of having some habitat.
Power generation, various equipment/machine-shops, cargo-bays, shuttle-bays, who knows what else.
I suppose to a point. However it would command more space on a large vessel -- Power to weigh ratios favor the small...
CuttingEdge100
Well truthfully, a starship would probably have elements of ships, aircraft, submarines and even tanks. Aircraft I should note are a great deal lighter than ships for the same length, width and volume (for the simple reason that they have to fly...)
Still, ships are really the only moving objects that people spend lengthly periods of times in -- i.e. years.
JNG,
210,000 m^3 is like 2,260,500 sq. ft -- It sounds like you're a zero off... You sure this is accurate?
Shaw,
Got my attention -- after all you're doing very comprehensive diagrams of the Big-E.
I'd have to agree that a submarine is a better example than a regular surface-vessel.
That's the best strategy I can think of for going about it.
Out of curiousity, I know you're not fond of using the 1,080-foot size, but could you provide volume estimates for the Enterprise if it was of that size?
Just out of curiosity do you have upper and lower estimate?
Timo,
I suppose you have a point. It would be more of functionality with the ability of having some habitat.
Power generation, various equipment/machine-shops, cargo-bays, shuttle-bays, who knows what else.
I suppose to a point. However it would command more space on a large vessel -- Power to weigh ratios favor the small...
CuttingEdge100
Just to muddy the waters a tad, the original figure given in the Writer's Guide is 190,000 tons. FJ then comes along about ten years later and changes that to metric tons.
It's all a guesstimate anyway. Suppose half the crew become really overweight. What happens then? Or the new captain decides to get rid of the bowling alley and replace it with a gazebo with a holographic environment?
It's all a guesstimate anyway. Suppose half the crew become really overweight. What happens then? Or the new captain decides to get rid of the bowling alley and replace it with a gazebo with a holographic environment?
Sure... I'll be making a diagram of the general shapes over a diagram of the Enterprise so people can see where the estimate is coming from. At that time I'll do two sets of figures: the Jefferies dimensions and the 1080 dimensions.
I'll also include information so anyone wanting to apply it to any other scaling can make estimates.
Right now, not really.
I need to set up the equations for a balanced system to see if my theory that the mass of the warp engines can be found by their placement relative to the impulse engines (as a balancing point) and the other elements. The system will be made up of 4 mass points, the primary hull and secondary hull derived from the system I described and the two warp engines of unknown mass all balanced on the position of the impulse engines (with the ship pointing up).
But I'm assuming that the warp engines are quite heavy considering how low they are to the impulse engine center line.
But will it work?
We'll see... but it'll be cool if it does!
What is WRONG with you?
Are you perhaps thinking that quoting a phrase twice will make it yield better to incorrect conclusions than quoting it once? And are you really incapable of comprehending that your "only one conclusion" flies against the rules of logic and grammar, and was a) pointed out to you and b) clarified as to the real meaning of the original phrase, to no avail?
Sorry, pal, but you seem to be a strange imbecile of sorts in matters logical, grammatical and social. That you have extensive knowledge of other matters creates a really weird contrast...
(I hope you still aren't pretending that when one lacks a good analogy to A, any analogy will do and then automatically become good?)
Timo Saloniemi
Darling, that will help you increase your forum persona's rank by another microiota, but that's about it.
If you have nothing to offer on the mass issue but faulty analogies and accurate quotations of the original artists' intent, I heartily recommend concentrating on the latter.
Timo Saloniemi
If you have nothing to offer on the mass issue but faulty analogies and accurate quotations of the original artists' intent, I heartily recommend concentrating on the latter.
Timo Saloniemi
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We went through this calmly last year, and I thought we settled on 240,000 metric tons for the TOS Enterprise.
It's not 'settled' because it ain't real. Plus, there's no source at all for such a number.
We did? Which thread?
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