Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
I don't think that would matter for a miniseries
no, because when the TNG movies were going the same time as DS9 and Voyager it was not for the general audience necessarily and things went well.
Frakes up for more TNG
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Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
with the Enterprise E... that would be cool
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Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
^wat eva
your average movie going audience would think that the MU was completely stupid
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
^why?
Picard "Wesley, I've wanted to do right by Jack, but often I have felt like a father to you, I would never want to replace him, althoguh your mother and I have been growing close over the last few months and... Will you give me permission to marry her?"
Wesley "No."
Wesley "No."
Sounds good to me. A made for TV/DVD movie series would be cool! They would not even need to look for a director they could just hire Frakes!
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Yeah, I am sure he would do it., he is a good and underrated director
RobertScorpio
Pariah
Were they really? I think too much was going on at the same time and that, more than anything, started the free fall that TREK went on. And it doesn't help when the movies are not even better than the TV episodes being produced at the same time...Insurrection was not a quality movie experience. For an episode it would have been average, at best....JOE Q public can see the difference, and that is why that movie, and then Nemesis after it, tanked...IMO
Rob
Yea I am still convinced that if Frakes had directed Nemesis it would have turned out better then it did. He knows so much more about Trek and the TNG characters then Stuart Baird did. Granted it still probably would have not been that good of a movie but the characters would have seemed more like themselves.
Siwilliams
Fleet Captain
Yeah Jonathan Frakes of Nick Meyer
Because the concept of a "Mirror Universe," a parallel universe were everyone has an "evil" counterpart is about as cheesy and cliched scifi as you can come across. It was a concept that, imo only worked in TOS given the nature of that show. In DS9 and ENT, it was only enjoyed/understood by a handful of fans (and not the casual audience). People would honestly sit at that movie and think "wow, this is what Star Trek has sunk to: a parallel universe full of dopplegangers." Give me a break. So many people would be turned off by it. The main audience (esp those who only watched TNG and would have no concept of the MU) goes to the TNG movies to see familiar characters and settings (Starfleet and our heroes), not those same actors portraying other personalities in a universe that isn't even our own (who cares about someone else's universe?). The MU is something that realistically only works as an occasional fun departure from the normal hum-ho of Star Trek, which is why there are so few MU episodes. The idea does not have enough meat or appeal to survive in the theatres... and the same goes for other relatively-obscure Star Trek ideas (such as the Q Continuum).
My own testimony: I was a fan of Star Trek for 20 years without knowing about the MU. I'd seen every movie, every episode of TNG and VOY, a lot of DS9, and some TOS/ENT. When I finally realized what it was (the weird episodes of DS9), I thought it was fun but also kind of ridiculous. Now, to expect an audience to accept the MU from a series that never even mentioned it is exactly why Star Trek uber-fans are not making executive decisions at Paramount. I mean, we're trying to give the TNG crew a good sendoff, not drag them though the mud again (box office wise) with a movie made for fanboys.
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TUC was such a great sendoff for the TOS crew because more than an adventure or scifi flick (as were a lot of the previous movies), TUC had a real message of hope, which was definitely in keeping with the spirit of TOS. The MU is definitely not in keeping with the spirit of TNG (exploration, hope, etc.), which is why there were no TNG MU episodes in the first place. The MU worked better on DS9 and ENT, which were a bit darker, but I absolutely do not think a MU TNG movie would be a worthy send off.
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Agreed
It does not matter too me whether the bad guys are from a known or unknown race.
I would like the idea, but it would hardly be necessary. Still, I would be happy that they acknowledged that Troi and Riker left the Enterprise at the end of Nemesis. Nemesis may have been a weak movie, but one of the few things I liked about it was that it did not end with everything back the way they started. The filmmakers took advantage of the fact that, unlike TV episodes, movies can actually permanently change the characters' situations.
Nah. After you have already seen dozens of spaceships shooting at each other, "more" no longer equals "more exciting".
Remember that large ensembles are more convenient in TV shows than movies. They might need to bring in a few new characters, but shrinking the ensemble might be a good opportunity for the writers to effectively focus on the returning characters. Besides, if by some one-in-a-gazillion chance they actually make another TNG movie (while Hell is being overrun by glaciers), it will likely be the last TNG movie.
Anyway, if I were to make a new TNG movie, it would have:
1. No singing crewmembers.
2. Reasonable screentime for Crusher, since she had little to do in the last four films.
3. No treating Worf as comic relief. Worf is a kick-butt character and should be treated as such. *glares at anyone who disagrees*
4. Exploration. These guys are supposed to be explorers, remember?
I don't remember a time when there were TNG, DS9 and VOY movies all at about the same time in the theatres, which is what I was talking about. The concept of multiple spin offs of the same franchise airing on tv in the same period happens a lot (Star Trek, Stargate, Buffy&Angel, CSI, Law and Order, just to name a few), but I can't think of any instance where a movie franchise had different subseries running parallel. If anyone knows of such an example, I'm more than happy to hear about it. One of the reasons why it's not done (apart from the fact that the whole spin off concept is more of a tv thing to begin with and so it's very uncommon for a series plus its spin off to be airing at the same time and both be popular enough to warrant movies based on them) seems to me that one does not expect the movie going audience to be all that familiar with the tv series on which the movie is based. So if they see a TOS film in 2009 and then a TNG film in 2010 and another TOS film in 2011 and they're all called Star Trek, I guess that's confusing. Or at least it's expected to be confusing and hence (among other things, as mentioned) not done.
Well, since they didn't do that in the previous TNG movies (apart from the destruction of the Enterprise D; I'm not counting Kirk's death, since he should not be seen as a main cast member for the TNG movies), I guess it's more that they took advantage of Nemesis very likely being the last TNG movie.
Your average movie going audience thinks that EVERYTHING Star Trek is completely stupid (which is why I continue to believe spending $150m on this movie is absurd).
But, TV movies, mini-series and even direct to DVD features have little to do with what your average movie goer pays to see.
At any rate, you don't necessarily have to do a Mirror Universe episode to give a Star Trek character an evil twist. There was an episode of DS9 that involved Thomas Riker attempting to steal the Defiant. As I understand the character ended up getting put in a Cardassian prison camp (I think this was talked about in a couple of books).
His fate afterwards was never really known. Might be an interesting storyline to have him being left there all this time and wanting to take revenge on the Federation for not trying to save him. He could escape kidnap Will and take his place aboard the Titan, leaving Will stuck in the prison camp. We could then involve members from the other TNG era series in an effort to stop him, not realizing that it's not really Will they're fighting.
You could also do a mini-series as a follow up to the Voyager episode "In The Flesh." We just assume that "Boothby" was able to talk the PTB to call off their planned assault on the Federation since it was never brought up again. Might be an interesting follow up if they went through with it.
So, fusing 2,3 and 4 together, we get something like...
"Space, the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise - her ongoing mission to seek out new life and new civilisations, who can get their butts kicked by my security chief, before my doctor treats their wounds."
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