john titor
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They were probably thinking, oh no not another sh1t movie we have to act in, why are we here anyway, the script sucks. Plus they had been doing tng without a break for years
Frakes up for more TNG
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I just don't know what to say.... How did anyone not talk about Patrick great performance in the best King Arthur movie ever made... Excalibur...
As actors they are capable of rejecting any role that isn't up to their personal standards. So your explanation doesn't wash.
This one's a good concept.... Star Trek XII : STAR TREK TITAN....
TNG miniseries
options for new Star Trek visual entertainment
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=84866
in which I also believe a miniseries would be good. The cost of the cast and sets are big. If they are going through the trouble to reassemble the cast and the sets then 4 hours wont be enough a 6-8 hour (3-4 nights) miniseries would be ideal. And a miniseries would give the show enough budget for FX as with the feature films sometimes the budget doesn't really help the movie overall. A 6-8 hour miniseries will allow enough time to explore characters and story arcs.
I agree. A newbie to the forum here and yesterday posted this thread:
options for new Star Trek visual entertainment
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=84866
in which I also believe a miniseries would be good. The cost of the cast and sets are big. If they are going through the trouble to reassemble the cast and the sets then 4 hours wont be enough a 6-8 hour (3-4 nights) miniseries would be ideal. And a miniseries would give the show enough budget for FX as with the feature films sometimes the budget doesn't really help the movie overall. A 6-8 hour miniseries will allow enough time to explore characters and story arcs.
Re: TNG miniseries
No offense, but where do you come up with 6-8 hours? Where do you ever see a 4 night mini-series? It doesn't exist on US television. Just because you'd like it, doesn't mean it's remotely possible. Most US miniseries are 2 night 4 hour events. Rarely you see 3 night/6 hours, but that's the max. Also, the budget will barely be larger than episode budgets. And with most of it going to rebuild sets there would be no massive "kewl" fx battles. Finally, 4 hours is plenty of time explore characters and story arcs. A standalone mini-series introduces characters and completes their arc in 4 hours. There is no way you need more than that for established characters. If you take more than 4 hours to tell the story, it just means it will drag on and get bashed by reviewers for not being paced well.
No offense, but where do you come up with 6-8 hours? Where do you ever see a 4 night mini-series? It doesn't exist on US television. Just because you'd like it, doesn't mean it's remotely possible. Most US miniseries are 2 night 4 hour events. Rarely you see 3 night/6 hours, but that's the max. Also, the budget will barely be larger than episode budgets. And with most of it going to rebuild sets there would be no massive "kewl" fx battles. Finally, 4 hours is plenty of time explore characters and story arcs. A standalone mini-series introduces characters and completes their arc in 4 hours. There is no way you need more than that for established characters. If you take more than 4 hours to tell the story, it just means it will drag on and get bashed by reviewers for not being paced well.
potential TNG miniseries ideas
Well first I was thinking for a TNG miniseries 6-8 hours due to the costs and effort to put the sets together and gather the legacy actors. If Paramount Produces this then what is channel would they sell it to? There is no longer the UPN network. SciFiHD channel? HDNET? TNTHD?
TNT does have miniseries more often than other channels.
Length:
Battlestar Galactica: The Miniseries (2003) ran 183 minutes (3 hours). That would be 3 nights with limited commercials. I think that model would be fine.
Star Trek could cut a US deal exclusively with SciFi channel for a 6 hour miniseries over 2 weeks. 2 times a week.
Paramount knows they would sell a certain # of units of the Blu-Ray and DVDs to the fans 3-9 months after the miniseries airs on television. They know fans want the space battles they were used to even on the weekly shows for a few minutes on ST:Voyager and ST:Enterprise. It can't be all soap opera on the ship for 180 minutes. Miniseries can take a longer time to produce and do post production and not under the pressures of a weekly series. If Trek producers approach it like HBO approaches a miniseries then it will be a level of production values between a weekly series and a feature film.
The visual FX would have to be done in 1080p HD as it would be show in HD. None of the series CGI visual effects work were done in HD save for a few shots on ST:Enterprise that the visual effects supervisor felt there was too much aliasing and artifacts. Right there is a certain $ for the visual effects budget. This may be the last time the legacy cast of TNG is together as the 2 features they are 'signed up for' may not happen due to the Trek 2.0 reboot continuing with the new actors.
Well first I was thinking for a TNG miniseries 6-8 hours due to the costs and effort to put the sets together and gather the legacy actors. If Paramount Produces this then what is channel would they sell it to? There is no longer the UPN network. SciFiHD channel? HDNET? TNTHD?
TNT does have miniseries more often than other channels.
Length:
Battlestar Galactica: The Miniseries (2003) ran 183 minutes (3 hours). That would be 3 nights with limited commercials. I think that model would be fine.
Star Trek could cut a US deal exclusively with SciFi channel for a 6 hour miniseries over 2 weeks. 2 times a week.
Paramount knows they would sell a certain # of units of the Blu-Ray and DVDs to the fans 3-9 months after the miniseries airs on television. They know fans want the space battles they were used to even on the weekly shows for a few minutes on ST:Voyager and ST:Enterprise. It can't be all soap opera on the ship for 180 minutes. Miniseries can take a longer time to produce and do post production and not under the pressures of a weekly series. If Trek producers approach it like HBO approaches a miniseries then it will be a level of production values between a weekly series and a feature film.
The visual FX would have to be done in 1080p HD as it would be show in HD. None of the series CGI visual effects work were done in HD save for a few shots on ST:Enterprise that the visual effects supervisor felt there was too much aliasing and artifacts. Right there is a certain $ for the visual effects budget. This may be the last time the legacy cast of TNG is together as the 2 features they are 'signed up for' may not happen due to the Trek 2.0 reboot continuing with the new actors.
Re: potential TNG miniseries ideas
Wow, we really need to call you HD(as others have said. The channels are SciFi and TNT, we all know it will be shown in HD, there's no need hit us over the head with HD this and HD that.
The BSG mini was 2 nights 4 hours when it it aired. Goes back to my point that expecting 3 or 4 nights is unrealistic. Also, why would any station show it with limited commercials? The stations exist to make money. They aren't going to just give up valuable air time.
Of course any broadcast deal will be exclusive in for every country, what's your point? And 6 hours would be 3 nights and likely be 3 Sundays, or Sun-Tue.
The budget for SciFi minis and HBO minis is drastically different. Time to make up your mind. Will this be shown on SciFi and produced cheaply like their other mini-serieses, or will this be shown on HBO and have a larger budget, but focused more on sets and productions, not FX.
Also, the target audience will be the general public and the TNG viewers. The FX on TNG were pathetic by todays standards. No one cares what the viewers of ENT expect, since there weren't enough viewers of ENT to keep the show on the air.
More HD buzzwords, that must make this a good project.
All of ENT was done in HD, and now all of TOS has been done in HD.
So because this may be the last time the actors are together more money should be spent on FX shots instead of developing the best story possible for them?
Wow, we really need to call you HD(as others have said. The channels are SciFi and TNT, we all know it will be shown in HD, there's no need hit us over the head with HD this and HD that.
The BSG mini was 2 nights 4 hours when it it aired. Goes back to my point that expecting 3 or 4 nights is unrealistic. Also, why would any station show it with limited commercials? The stations exist to make money. They aren't going to just give up valuable air time.
Of course any broadcast deal will be exclusive in for every country, what's your point? And 6 hours would be 3 nights and likely be 3 Sundays, or Sun-Tue.
The budget for SciFi minis and HBO minis is drastically different. Time to make up your mind. Will this be shown on SciFi and produced cheaply like their other mini-serieses, or will this be shown on HBO and have a larger budget, but focused more on sets and productions, not FX.
Also, the target audience will be the general public and the TNG viewers. The FX on TNG were pathetic by todays standards. No one cares what the viewers of ENT expect, since there weren't enough viewers of ENT to keep the show on the air.
More HD buzzwords, that must make this a good project.
All of ENT was done in HD, and now all of TOS has been done in HD.
So because this may be the last time the actors are together more money should be spent on FX shots instead of developing the best story possible for them?
potential future TNG miniseries ideas
If Paramount wants to have a higher budget to get a higher production value show then they will allocate it.
If they want to do something like 2003 Battlestar Galactica miniseries as a miniseries model the _MAIN_ budget issue will be the fees for actors like Patrick Stewart.
Originally Posted by jefferiestubes8
None of the series CGI visual effects work were done in HD save for a few shots on ST:Enterprise that the visual effects supervisor felt there was too much aliasing and artifacts.
avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15966695#post15966695
and other places.
p.s. I had trouble with the forum's multiquote tool so I didn't use it.
The most probable channel would be SciFi channel as the 6 broadcast networks wouldn't get enough ratings.
If Paramount wants to have a higher budget to get a higher production value show then they will allocate it.
If they want to do something like 2003 Battlestar Galactica miniseries as a miniseries model the _MAIN_ budget issue will be the fees for actors like Patrick Stewart.
Originally Posted by jefferiestubes8
None of the series CGI visual effects work were done in HD save for a few shots on ST:Enterprise that the visual effects supervisor felt there was too much aliasing and artifacts.
I disagree.
avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15966695#post15966695
and other places.
None of my comments were in regards to content or story in this thread. As fans we all want a great story. As a TV series, miniseries, or feature film we all DO want a great story. Star Trek producers know who they can hire to write great Trek stories. They have decades worth of material as a history of who they want to bring back on a future project.
p.s. I had trouble with the forum's multiquote tool so I didn't use it.
More TNG? Yaaaaa....THAT'S going to happen.
john titor
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It pays the bills
So does selling crack.
I think a TNG revisit can only happen as a short cable series or as a cartoon on the Web, myself. All the actors can lend their voices to the latter. I also don't see Patrick Stewart's involvement. Hell, he's bowed out of any future X-Men movies, as far as I know, and that was much more lucrative and critically well received than most of the TNG flicks.
While I like the Titan novel I read, I'd want to see the action back on Enterprise-E, with Riker in command because Picard has been sickened by an advanced disease and has been temporarily retired as a result, as it's an extremely contagious pathogen.
You can then reunite Riker, Worf, Troi, Geordi, and Dr. Crusher, have a few new characters (or bring in Tuvok & Seven of Nine, and O'Brien and Ezri Dax) and you'd have a three-way reunion -- TNG, DSN, and VOY.
Red Ranger
While I like the Titan novel I read, I'd want to see the action back on Enterprise-E, with Riker in command because Picard has been sickened by an advanced disease and has been temporarily retired as a result, as it's an extremely contagious pathogen.
You can then reunite Riker, Worf, Troi, Geordi, and Dr. Crusher, have a few new characters (or bring in Tuvok & Seven of Nine, and O'Brien and Ezri Dax) and you'd have a three-way reunion -- TNG, DSN, and VOY.
Red Ranger
When I read these 'Future of Trek' ideas, it makes me all the more aware that J.J. Abrams is doing the right thing by pushing the reset button. We're at a point where the whole Trek universe in so jam-packed that we're pitching UFP Prison Break and other non-sense.
The best way to go is to strip the franchise down to its core assets and move forward with a series based on exploration. Refresh the characters with a 21st century spin.
The best way to go is to strip the franchise down to its core assets and move forward with a series based on exploration. Refresh the characters with a 21st century spin.
Whatever, man. I'll just have to make my TNG-era meets Red Dwarf seriescentering around a garbage and recycle transport without you.
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