Just because it makes money doesn't make it a good Trek film anymore than listening to a Salieri symphony makes it better than Mozart. So yes we're stuck with it which I hope is a good thing if they're to listen to the fans assessments of the story and the music and leave professional nepotism to the wind.
Frakes up for more TNG
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We do?!?!?!? OH NOS! You are right!!! They will NEVER show the old stuff on TV AGAIN!!! And the DVDs in stores will be recalled!!! In FACT, Paramount might even break into your house to take back anything they might have!!!! We must prepare, people!!! The END TIMES are coming!!!!
Box Office Profits =/= Quality
We do?!?!?!? OH NOS! You are right!!! They will NEVER show the old stuff on TV AGAIN!!! And the DVDs in stores will be recalled!!! In FACT, Paramount might even break into your house to take back anything they might have!!!! We must prepare, people!!! The END TIMES are coming!!!!
Box Office Profits =/= Quality
It is a comic book movie and not "Citizen Kane". It will do quite well. But for Trek you hope for something more. Special effects are nice and since they over did them it clearly is to cover up a weak story.
As for the "I have still have my DVDs". Well it would be nice to have something that would continue them instead of having to see that there will be nothing "forward" with Trek. Quite sad. What is next "Captain Sulu" goes back in time next to stop more changing of the time line? Quite sad indeed.
We do?!?!?!? OH NOS! You are right!!! They will NEVER show the old stuff on TV AGAIN!!! And the DVDs in stores will be recalled!!! In FACT, Paramount might even break into your house to take back anything they might have!!!! We must prepare, people!!! The END TIMES are coming!!!!
Box Office Profits =/= Quality
It is a comic book movie and not "Citizen Kane". It will do quite well. But for Trek you hope for something more. Special effects are nice and since they over did them it clearly is to cover up a weak story.
Please cite proof that A) the special effects are overdone in the movie (or at least compared to any other blockbuster movie [and, no, the trailer doesn't count as proof of this]) and B) Trek XI has a weak story. I personally haven't seen the movie yet, but judging by your absolutes, you have. Please tell me how Shatner's surprise cameo turned out.
Also, I am sure Wolverine will do well too, but that doesn't go against my statement that box office profits does not equal quality. X3 made a shit ton of money, but the general consensus of that movie was that it sucked (although, I personally enjoyed it). While it would be great for Trek to make a shit ton of money, I think, personally, that it'll make a "decent amount" to potentially warrant a sequel.
There is always the Pocket Book line that continues on the stories of the TNG crew if you have that much of a hard on for what has come already.
They did just that in Nemesis with the Remans when they should have gone with the Romulans.
I hear this a lot, but frankly I just don't see it. The Romulans are boring, and we've also seen them a hell of a lot over the years - is there really anything new to say about them? Maybe, but I really prefer to see new races and characters in the Trek films rather than rehashing old stuff from the series yet again.
The Remans were a great idea - going back to the original BoT episode, delving into a mysterious, undeveloped bit of Trek lore could have been great. Unfortunately they botched it any number of ways with the writing, by making the Remans 1) even more boring than the Romulans, and 2) ultimately just simple henchmen to the main villain, who wasn't a Reman at all.
There really were some good ideas at the heart of Nemesis, though. It could have been a really good movie.
I don't know, but the movie did feel like a missed opportunity to bring Back Sela and with it, some closure to her character.
Sorry folks, but I find Frakes, or at least his character to be annoying.
I looked up his IMDB biography and saw that he was an unknown character actor before getting TNG. I never heard of him. (but to be honest, I have never heard of any of them except for LeVar Burton). He has done no work in front of the camera and he has had some minor directors work. I am sure the man is rich from TNG but he is lucky he got that job because that was far and away the best job he's ever had (grabbing ass with Marina Sirtis is a close second to a fat paycheck in my book.)
Mr. Scott
I looked up his IMDB biography and saw that he was an unknown character actor before getting TNG. I never heard of him. (but to be honest, I have never heard of any of them except for LeVar Burton). He has done no work in front of the camera and he has had some minor directors work. I am sure the man is rich from TNG but he is lucky he got that job because that was far and away the best job he's ever had (grabbing ass with Marina Sirtis is a close second to a fat paycheck in my book.)
Mr. Scott
I don't think he ever 'grabbed ass' with Marina Sirtis, did he? Well, I suppose that depends on how exactly you interpret that.
Anyway, what does Frakes' acting career, bank account, or sex live have to do with whether Riker's character is annoying?
Anyway, what does Frakes' acting career, bank account, or sex live have to do with whether Riker's character is annoying?
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I just wish they would do what they should have done with the tenth film and bring back Nicholas "Miracle Worker" Meyer 
to turn things around and send a beloved crew off right. I've been reading a book about all the behind-the-scenes happenings throughout the history of Star Trek and Nicholas Meyer's contributions are amazing. He basically saved the franchise twice after both The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier did a huge disservice to Star Trek fans.
I've also read elsewhere that he was in talks to do the tenth Star Trek movie, but they couldn't hire him because he wouldn't do it without some freedom to work on the script, and Berman idiotically promised the writer John Logan 100% creative control over it. Horrible decision, regardless of the writer. A lot of the great Star Trek films ended up as wonderful as they were because people worked tirelessly rewriting them over and over again until they worked.
On the flipside, some movies are ruined by too many re-writes, but Nemesis needed a lot of work, and I have enough faith in Meyer to believe he could have fixed something even as problematic as that. Yeah, the TNG cast is really old now, but Deforest Kelley was in his 70s and Nimoy and Shatner were in their 60s during The Undiscovered Country and it didn't matter.
Realistically it's probably too late and this is likely just a pipe dream, but I still want a Meyer TNG film. This is the only way Rick Berman could redeem himself for the poor decisions he's made about Star Trek in the last thirteen years! The book even says that at the time of Star Trek VI, Meyer was the only guy working on it who was a real TNG fan. Unfortunately, he wasn't a big enough fan to realize the small detail that TNG is actually set about 75 years after The Original Series, which is why he originally wanted to have Michael Dorn playing Worf (before people had to tell him the only plausible way to have Dorn in the movie is if he plays Worf's Great Grandfather).
to turn things around and send a beloved crew off right. I've been reading a book about all the behind-the-scenes happenings throughout the history of Star Trek and Nicholas Meyer's contributions are amazing. He basically saved the franchise twice after both The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier did a huge disservice to Star Trek fans. I've also read elsewhere that he was in talks to do the tenth Star Trek movie, but they couldn't hire him because he wouldn't do it without some freedom to work on the script, and Berman idiotically promised the writer John Logan 100% creative control over it. Horrible decision, regardless of the writer. A lot of the great Star Trek films ended up as wonderful as they were because people worked tirelessly rewriting them over and over again until they worked.
On the flipside, some movies are ruined by too many re-writes, but Nemesis needed a lot of work, and I have enough faith in Meyer to believe he could have fixed something even as problematic as that. Yeah, the TNG cast is really old now, but Deforest Kelley was in his 70s and Nimoy and Shatner were in their 60s during The Undiscovered Country and it didn't matter.
Realistically it's probably too late and this is likely just a pipe dream, but I still want a Meyer TNG film. This is the only way Rick Berman could redeem himself for the poor decisions he's made about Star Trek in the last thirteen years! The book even says that at the time of Star Trek VI, Meyer was the only guy working on it who was a real TNG fan. Unfortunately, he wasn't a big enough fan to realize the small detail that TNG is actually set about 75 years after The Original Series, which is why he originally wanted to have Michael Dorn playing Worf (before people had to tell him the only plausible way to have Dorn in the movie is if he plays Worf's Great Grandfather).
He was in the NORTH and SOUTH Miniseries at least 2 of them
Patrick was in DUNE the movie
Michael was in CHIPs
Yes, I want another TNG movie or at least Mini Series. These guys deserve to get a proper ending.
Patrick did a lot of broadway and plays before TNG if I remember correctly...
Well considering Data is dead and Picard is SUPPOSED to be old, Yes.
Unfortunately, I do think that TNG will probably not be seen on screen again... Although I would totally be happy with it if they did.
What's the point with another TNG movie? It would just be another installment in a movie series that *should* be called "The Picard & Data Adventures" anyway...
I dislkie them saying no more TNG movies. The actors clearly would like to do more. Putting an end to a show is one thing but movies shouldn't be put to an end so cold.
Why? The Next Gen movies were, for the most part, creative and financial flops. It was amazing when I one night watched The Undiscovered Country and Nemesis back-to-back. How tired and out of gas the TNG crew looked compared to their TOS counter-parts. The TOS gang looked spry and ready for action while the TNG group looked like they were going through the motions.
This is from someone who was a huge TNG fan when it was on the air.
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