Archer and TOS

[Nerys Myk]

Tommy Westphall

 

[cooleddie74]

See, being a classic TV buff I should have recognized the name. My bad! I even watched that finale when I was 13 or 14. One of the biggest surprise endings in all of network television history.

 

[Kryton]

Snowglobe/Autistic kid.

That should sum it up for most who already know but don't remember.

BTW: RIP Ed Flanders who played Donald Westphall and who felt the need to take his own life in 1995.

 

[Phillip Culley]

Bear in mind that Kirk never mentioned Christopher Pike until the Enterprise was summoned to the starbase where he was recuperating. (And then they never mentioned him again.)

Except for Mirror, Mirror, where it was said the mirror Kirk became captain after assassinating Captain Pike

 

[Kryton]

That goddamned beeping bastard had it coming!

 

[cooleddie74]

Apparently, three flashing lights mean "Someone empty my colostomy bag."

 

[Rex Racer]

In one episode, Spock fashions a crude bow and arrow.

 

[SFRabid]

I think they were planning to do a movie where Kirk meets Archer and they work together to ....

Oh. No. We don't want that.

I think they never mentioned Archer 40 years ago because they knew that someone would start a trolling thread on the Internet sometime in the future and use the absence of any reference to justify their displeasure in anything other than the original series.

 

[cooleddie74]

In TREK lore that's known as the "Virgin Poster Paradox."

 

[Kryton]

Archer's final words:

"It was ... a job.

That lasted longer than Shatner's"

 

[Kagan]

I agree about the Fourth Season, but my inner fanboy loves it. The First season was about as close to TOS as any Trek show has gotten.

I agree that the Fourth Season was rather fanboyish. I also agree that ENT's First Season was as close as you could get to TOS with an addition of clumsy first contacts. It certainly explains why a Prime Directive was needed.

But back on topic. Kirk was never a name dropper.

There is no reason that the greatest starship captain in the universe should ever need to drop any name other than, "I am Captain James T. Kirk of the Starship Enterprise"

 

[cooleddie74]

Archer's final words:

"It was ... a job.

That lasted longer than Shatner's"

Oh, SNAP!

 

[Tactical Drone]

Plus, ENT ended before the Earth-Romulan War could be shown. For all we know Starfleet ended up having to dig up old nuclear warheads and designs from generations earlier just to use against the Romulans after the conventional(spatial)and early photonic torpedoes of the period failed against the enemy.

Wow, that's a REALLY awesome point. Maybe since the Romulans had apparently been watching Starfleet, they were a bit prepared for their weapons but could be totally unprepared for old style weapons since they've never seen/heard of them.

 

[cooleddie74]

Plus, ENT ended before the Earth-Romulan War could be shown. For all we know Starfleet ended up having to dig up old nuclear warheads and designs from generations earlier just to use against the Romulans after the conventional(spatial)and early photonic torpedoes of the period failed against the enemy.

Wow, that's a REALLY awesome point. Maybe since the Romulans had apparently been watching Starfleet, they were a bit prepared for their weapons but could be totally unprepared for old style weapons since they've never seen/heard of them.

True. And once Earth ships were forced to detonate nukes near or on Romulan ships the Empire itself started deploying some of its own to counter the unforseen threat, rationalizing why over a century later some Romulan ships used nuclear warheads in a self-destruct fashion.

 

[3D Master]

That's ridiculous. A nuclear explosion and a matter/anti-matter explosion produce the same energies; the m/a-m just far, far, far more of it, for far, far, far less material. If the primitive nuclear junk can hurt Romulans, a photonic torpedo would be 1 hit, multiple kills.

Besides, if photonic torpedoes are useless against Romulans in the 22nd century, why did they go back to them in the 23rd and 24th?

 

[SFRabid]

That's ridiculous. A nuclear explosion and a matter/anti-matter explosion produce the same energies; the m/a-m just far, far, far more of it, for far, far, far less material. ...

Wow. That shows how far behind I am. We never covered anti-matter explosions in physics. I didn't not know we could even test anti-matter explosions to see what type of output they have. By the way, where did our present day scientists come up with anti-matter?

 

[cooleddie74]

That's one of the problems with TREK lore. As good as most continuity tends to be all things considered...the internal science often fails upon closer inspection.

 

[3D Master]

That's ridiculous. A nuclear explosion and a matter/anti-matter explosion produce the same energies; the m/a-m just far, far, far more of it, for far, far, far less material. ...

Wow. That shows how far behind I am. We never covered anti-matter explosions in physics. I didn't not know we could even test anti-matter explosions to see what type of output they have. By the way, where did our present day scientists come up with anti-matter?

We've encountered anti-matter and their annihilation decades ago. We can create it in particle accelerators, and there are also natural positron radiators around.

 

[cooleddie74]

Well, one has to interpret the TOS "atomic weapons" line about the Earth-Romulan War in some logical fashion. Now that ENT has fleshed out what Earth vessel weapons were like at the time of the war or at least just before, the only rational explanation that comes to many minds is that---for some reasons unrevealed in canon---Starfleet and allied weapons weren't particuarly effective against Romulan fleets and ships at some stage in the conflict and nuclear devices had to be resurrected and used.

 

[Ronald Held]

Did someone previous mention that atomic weapons were cheaper and faster to mass produce during the war?.