So the big secret's out! Dudes...
J.J. has actually been making the third Bill & Ted movie.
J.J. has actually been making the third Bill & Ted movie.
Trekmovie's starship round-up [SPOILERS]
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But T'Pol said in Enterprise that the Vulcun Science Counsel determined that time travel was impossible.
:cough: at least that's what they believed in the 22nd Century, there was ample evidence supplied very likely by The Enterprise 1701 herself that they were... umm in error. :cough:
Something we the audience always knew.
Sharr
I say go with the 22nd century Vulcan view of time travel; It's impossible so it can't be in a Star Trek movie. It's a crutch that let's you do anything in Star Trek and then undo it at any time. It takes no real thought or effort. I so wish STXI was going to be about something else other than time travel.
So the big secret's out! Dudes...
J.J. has actually been making the third Bill & Ted movie.
Spock: STATION!
I find it odd that Im more interested in seing the Kelvin than the Enterprise...but then Ive always had a thing for the smaller background ships (and ships in general), plus the background intel previously said it had teeth so Im expecting a 23rd century Defiant 
(that and Ive read that much of how the Enterprise should look that I dont even want to think about it anymore lol)
Ah well least its given a little hype to me, will calm back down for another 11 months and however long (well untill theres a trailer or pictures)
(that and Ive read that much of how the Enterprise should look that I dont even want to think about it anymore lol)Ah well least its given a little hype to me, will calm back down for another 11 months and however long (well untill theres a trailer or pictures)
^The good news is you now know it involves time travel. You won't have to waste your money going to see it, and you won't have to waste anyone's time posting about how much you hate time travel.
It's really a win-win for everyone.
I think we're well past the point of debating whether or not time travel "belongs" in Trek. Time travel has been a part of Trek since the fourth episode of the first season of TOS. It's as much a part of Trek as warp drive and phasers. Some stories are better than others, yes, but that's writing, not the fault of time travel as a story vehicle.
It's really a win-win for everyone.
I think we're well past the point of debating whether or not time travel "belongs" in Trek. Time travel has been a part of Trek since the fourth episode of the first season of TOS. It's as much a part of Trek as warp drive and phasers. Some stories are better than others, yes, but that's writing, not the fault of time travel as a story vehicle.
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Regardless of how long time travel stories have been around in the Trek universe, it's becoming a constant. By the time Enterprise rolled around a whole series was based on time travel. Everything can be overdone and time travel in Trek certainly has.
I agree 100%.
Yes, yes, and on Trek forums dissenting opinions from the majority are ignored.
"The USS Kelvin
The Kelvin is a Federation starship from a generation before the Enterprise and smaller than the Enterprise."
Looks like they got the same idea I did years ago. Just after Enterprise premiered, I got to thinking what would a pre-Constitution class starship look like. So I scaled down the dimensions of the Enterprise by 30%, and added some "rough" detailing. Though I did transistion some "styling cues" from various ships we've seen (mainly the refit Enterprise).
http://community.webshots.com/album/347522964wDNMmE
Wonder if Ryan Church and/or james Clyne got any "inspration" from me........LOL
The Kelvin is a Federation starship from a generation before the Enterprise and smaller than the Enterprise."
Looks like they got the same idea I did years ago. Just after Enterprise premiered, I got to thinking what would a pre-Constitution class starship look like. So I scaled down the dimensions of the Enterprise by 30%, and added some "rough" detailing. Though I did transistion some "styling cues" from various ships we've seen (mainly the refit Enterprise).
http://community.webshots.com/album/347522964wDNMmE
Wonder if Ryan Church and/or james Clyne got any "inspration" from me........LOL
"The USS Kelvin
The Kelvin is a Federation starship from a generation before the Enterprise and smaller than the Enterprise."
Looks like they got the same idea I did years ago. Just after Enterprise premiered, I got to thinking what would a pre-Constitution class starship look like. So I scaled down the dimensions of the Enterprise by 30%, and added some "rough" detailing. Though I did transistion some "styling cues" from various ships we've seen (mainly the refit Enterprise).
http://community.webshots.com/album/347522964wDNMmE
Wonder if Ryan Church and/or james Clyne got any "inspration" from me........LOL
Looks like Forbidden Planet was inspiration too!
Below is an actual leaked photograph of Spocks timeship. The paramount bigwigs are running through the legal machine at the moment to see if they can afford the rights. There are a few concerns about cost, but they think it will be worth it to see it up there on the big screen.
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Below is an actual leaked photograph of Spocks timeship. The paramount bigwigs are running through the legal machine at the moment to see if they can afford the rights. There are a few concerns about cost, but they are thinking it will be worth it to see it up there on the big screen.
The City on the Edge of Ellisons Temper
Propelled by a near limitless supply of hot gas it seems.
Saw that. Everyone had been speculating about where he'd fit. Since the Capt. Robau role is supposed to be fairly substantial, does that mean we see a lot of George Kirk, too?
Even the 22nd-century Vulcan Science Directorate's position was clearly demonstrated to be in error by the events of "Shockwave" so, crutch or not, time travel is a part of the Trek universe. That's fine, as far as I'm concerned; what matters to me is how it's handled.But T'Pol said in Enterprise that the Vulcun Science Counsel determined that time travel was impossible.
:cough: at least that's what they believed in the 22nd Century, there was ample evidence supplied very likely by The Enterprise 1701 herself that they were... umm in error. :cough:
Something we the audience always knew.
Sharr
I say go with the 22nd century Vulcan view of time travel; It's impossible so it can't be in a Star Trek movie. It's a crutch that let's you do anything in Star Trek and then undo it at any time. It takes no real thought or effort. I so wish STXI was going to be about something else other than time travel.
"Science Vulcan Directorate has determined that time travel is . . . not fair."
So that's... what, 200%?
I enjoy "Star Trek" as a variation of sci-fi/fantasy a great deal more than I'm interested in it as being somehow a plausible, self-consistent "alternate reality (or whatever you want to call it)" - because by any somewhat detached measure it fails as the latter. It's full of one-offs and dead-ends and dropped stitches (whatever happened to the Kelvin "super warp speed" adjustments, for instance? A week later, the Enterprise was back to straining for warp 7).
Therefore, time travel is just fine and doesn't strike me as inappropriate - I loved "The Time Machine" and I adore Russell Davies' version of "Doctor Who." There's something very reminiscent of both in the premise of Spocko jumping through time in a machine designed for and dedicated to the purpose. It's right in the main line of sci-fi/fantasy movies and tv shows (and even printed fiction) - so I really don't fucking care how well it fits into "Star Trek" continuity. Get that flux capacitor working.
Therefore, time travel is just fine and doesn't strike me as inappropriate - I loved "The Time Machine" and I adore Russell Davies' version of "Doctor Who." There's something very reminiscent of both in the premise of Spocko jumping through time in a machine designed for and dedicated to the purpose. It's right in the main line of sci-fi/fantasy movies and tv shows (and even printed fiction) - so I really don't fucking care how well it fits into "Star Trek" continuity. Get that flux capacitor working.
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The odd thing about this discussion, "Time Travel" ha always been part of Trek, one of its classic/well known episodes rests on it as a plot device. A legitimate plot device and just cause former producers handled it with a mixed bag doesn't mean these new ones shall.
Enterprise's point wasn't that the Vulcans were right, the whole thing with the Vulcan Science Directorate was to show that they didn't know everything... we the audience were supposed to be aware they were dead wrong about time travel from the get go.
Its also wrong to state that the movie will "be about time travel", as I am pretty sure its going to be about Spock and Kirk, and their friendship. Not the ethics of time travel. Back to the Future wasn't about Time Travel even though it was a plot device to tell that story.
Sharr
I hated the whole thing in Enterprise about the Vulcan Science Directorate declaring time travel is not possible. It felt like another example of the show dumbing down my favorite species in order to make the humans seem smarter. Couldn't the humans have been shown to be an clever and inventive race without having to tear down Vulcans' reputation of being so skilled at science they were among the first races in that region to discover warp drive, colonizing planets while mankind was still in the dark ages?
People, people, I brought up what T'Pol said on Enterprise as a joke.
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