Pedants gonna pedant in any decade of fandom.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
The DS9 comments make me laugh so hard.
Yes, please cancel it. We don't want any of that emoting, or drama in Star Trek! It's too boring.
Yes, please cancel it. We don't want any of that emoting, or drama in Star Trek! It's too boring.
My hangouts back then would have been the Compuserve Trek forum, rec.arts.startrek.current, and a local newsgroup on Ottawa's National Capital Freenet. Same shit, different millennium.
This needs to be Trekkies' official motto.
Idk. I still hate the musical episode.
Probably even more. Same with the cartoon episode. What episode of DS9 are you talking about?
Inspired a great song though
I had forgotten about that one myself. Whenever I do a DS9 rewatch I usually start near the end of the first season("Duet" and "In The Hands Of The Prophets"). The first half of that season was just TNG on a station.Oh yeah that one sucked ..
I was at lunch with a bunch of creatives from an ad agency, and we started talking about cars ….which lead to various social observations. First, the love of cars is generational. The recent high profile auctions show trends. Hot Rods were popular with boomers but arent really the thing for Gen X. The next gen went with muscle cars, whose popularity is now declining. But a fast & furious Supra is worth stupid money. What will the uber generation lean to?
Overall, Where Am I going with this? Extrapolating….Many products go in cycles. And film genres are not immune. Westerns, sci fi, super hero, action movies…. To show that big brother is listening, the algorithm suddenly served up Red Letter and the Critical Drinker videos with each musing about the future of star trek.
Is there a way to tap into the zeitgeist again, because I don’t believe Kurtzman was successful in doing so.
Overall, Where Am I going with this? Extrapolating….Many products go in cycles. And film genres are not immune. Westerns, sci fi, super hero, action movies…. To show that big brother is listening, the algorithm suddenly served up Red Letter and the Critical Drinker videos with each musing about the future of star trek.
Is there a way to tap into the zeitgeist again, because I don’t believe Kurtzman was successful in doing so.
No one has pretended it has been totally serious. We all have talked about Spocks Brain, A night in Sickbay , Bride of Chaotica etc. All goofy and all the worst of those shows. The problem is 50% of SNW seems to be this type of thing.
There's 50 percent that isn't which is acceptable to me. Star Trek is not a pass/fail for me but episode by episode.
I agree with the OP on the amount of NuTrek that I've deemed worthy.
After Enterprise was cancelled, I had accepted Star Trek was gone and that was that. But then they did the 2009 movie a few years later, which was a big hit at the time with us (my family) and seemingly many others with its more mainstream action appeal.
But after that, Into Darkness was just... Insulting to me.
The only excitement I got from Beyond was watching the credits to find a friends name in it (rotoscope).
Discovery gave me mixed feelings from the start. Seeing someone try to write smart and fail so miserably was, again, insulting (type O star.. Sigh...).
I won't keep going on with the blow by blow. I've appreciated some of it, but I think most of it is soulless, safe, and written for idiots. Shoving ideology down people's throats doesn't help educate them, something I only recently realised about Bermanberry; it was largely liberal concepts made for conservatives to swallow, where as Nutrek, on the very rare occasion it attempts to do anything of consequence, is just more liberal ideology that is non-negotiable.
Like after Enterprise, I can accept its death again, or rather, being put back into stasis.
However my realisation that the most successful period of Trek was actually quite conservative, gives me hope that Paramount's, shall we say less than popular new owners, might actually be able to bring balance to the force.
Genuinely asking, like what? People say this a lot but in all of Picard, SFA, and all of SNW, I haven't really seen any. I mean they sometimes very broadly say "racism is bad", but you know, welcome to Star Trek.
I understand that Discovery apparently does become ideologically charged, but I never watched the third season onward so I can't speak to that, but what examples of "liberal ideology that is non-negotiable" exist in PIC/SNW/SFA? Or even Discovery's first two seasons?
I think TNG was probably far more ideological in that it occasionally had "message" episodes, often written as blunt polemic and botched pretty badly.
Which is fascinating given it's topical commentary at the time.
Yet, far more entertaining. Which is why I watch to begin with.
I was with you until the bolded part. I never saw any ideology being shoved down anyone's throats in any era. Even in the 60s, Star Trek was no different from shows like Bonanza in that there was a morale lesson hidden in a lot of the episodes. The only difference today is social media allows every ignorant duck in the universe to quack their stupidity.
PS: Back in the 60s, you had to actually write a letter to the network to express your disproval. Rodenberry once stated that for all the worry about mixed races being on television, they never received ONE letter of complaint about that. Not one.
See 1:47 in this clip.
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Hard to write a letter when one doesn't know how to write.
In all seriousness, I call bullshit. People wrote letters to complain about Scott and Uhura in The Final Frontier, one of which was published in a DC comics letter page during the second run of the comics. People wrote and complained about the kiss between Dax and Lenora Kahn. Also don't forget that every letter written wouldn't go to NBC or Desilu, many probably went to the affiliates airing the show.
People like to complain, whether it be 1966 or 2026.
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