DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

[Christopher]

In the two roles I've seen Cavill in outside of Superman, Napoleon Solo and Gus, he has a light touch and good sense of comedic timing.

I've usually found that Cavill is good at adapting his personality to fit the character, so that I could believe him as everything from the noble, kind Superman to the cold, ruthless assassin he played in a Mission: Impossible movie. It's a subtle adjustment, true, and he's always recognizably himself, but he modulates himself to fit the part. The one case where I don't think he quite pulls it off is as Sherlock Holmes in the Enola Holmes movies, but that may have more to do with how little he looks the part than anything else.

His Napoleon Solo was an homage to Robert Vaughn's original without being a direct imitation, but I found it reminded me strikingly of Matt Bomer's performance as Neal Caffrey in White Collar. Which is interesting, as Bomer was once a candidate to play Superman in a movie and did play him as a voice role in an animated movie some years later.

 

[Anwar]

I think my biggest problem with Affleck was all the missed potential for portraying a Middle Aged Batman instead his usual younger self.

Snyder wanted to have Selina in brought up as his ex-wife, though really having them still be married and working together properly would've been the better route.

Heck, middle aged but till touch Bruce and Selina would've given us a teenaged Helena as their Robin and the new directions that could've given us.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Has anyone ever referred to one of the movies he's headlined as "that new Henry Cavill movie?"

Edith Keeler.

 

[Mage]

An additional, belated thought on this. You have been known to cross the opinion/fact line yourself. This is you from not long ago:

That goes beyond merely expressing an opinion. It pretty explicitly frames your subjective interpretation as fact, with anyone who disagrees with you simply being too imperceptive to “get it.”

I did indeed frame it like that, I can't deny it. I will definitely be more aware of it in the future. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[The Realist]

I did indeed frame it like that, I can't deny it. I will definitely be more aware of it in the future. Thanks for pointing that out.

I just wanted to say that I respect and appreciate your posting this. In my experience, it’s a rare person who is willing to cede any ground in an Internet dispute. The typical reaction is, “dig in, escalate, repeat.” So good on you, seriously.

 

[Mage]

I just wanted to say that I respect and appreciate your posting this. In my experience, it’s a rare person who is willing to cede any ground in an Internet dispute. The typical reaction is, “dig in, escalate, repeat.” So good on you, seriously.

I appreciate that, man. You pointed out that I showed behavior I really dislike. I should own up to that. We may disagree on things, but that doesn't mean we can't be civil, right?

 

[Ovation]

We may disagree on things, but that doesn't mean we can't be civil, right?

You can’t do that. This is the internet.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

Superman ‘78 remains a deathless classic for the ages, with precisely zero flaws of any consequence.

Otisburg?

Batman will always be Adam West to me, and Superman Christopher Reeve.

No Batman ever attempted to tackle ''Little Buttercup'' after West, the best, nailed it for all time. No Superman will ever attempt it either.

He certainly had a more interesting and eclectic catalogue than Snyder's.

ST. ELMO'S FIRE remains my favorite JS guilty pleasure. Some of its seven major roles outshone the others.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Peter Safran confirmed that Clayface is set before Creature Commandos' first season.

 

[Aragorn]

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[FPAlpha]

Damn, straight up body horror movie from the looks of it. Gunn is really mixing it up with the characters from the superoptimistic Superman to traumatized Supergirl and now horror.

I wonder what his plan or intentions ever since i head Clayface would be the third DCU movie. Not someone frim the first tier like Wonder Woman, Batman, Green Lantern or anyone basically from the JLA. It is a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

 

[Christopher]

I wonder what his plan or intentions ever since i head Clayface would be the third DCU movie. Not someone frim the first tier like Wonder Woman, Batman, Green Lantern or anyone basically from the JLA. It is a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off.

Obligatory reminder that the MCU started out with entirely second- or third-tier characters, at best, because all their first-tier characters were at other studios. The job of a movie is to make people care about its characters, even if they never heard of them before.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I love the tragic tale of Clayface but I'm not sure if I want to watch a body horror film. It's tethering right on the edge for me.

 

[theenglish]

Obligatory reminder that the MCU started out with entirely second- or third-tier characters, at best, because all their first-tier characters were at other studios. The job of a movie is to make people care about its characters, even if they never heard of them before.

There were also lower expectations for the commercial success of the movies back then.

 

[FPAlpha]

Obligatory reminder that the MCU started out with entirely second- or third-tier characters, at best, because all their first-tier characters were at other studios. The job of a movie is to make people care about its characters, even if they never heard of them before.

Agreed and at the time i thought Marvel lucked out like crazy when they took a gamble with RDJ and Iron Man but they chose the right people at the right time.

I'm curious if Gunn is able to replicate this, if he needs to replicate it at all. Obviously Superman is the big one next to Batman, which makes me curious that there isn't so much as a peep from Gunn about Batman. I mean Matt Reeves and Robert Pattinsons' The Batman was close to perfect, might have even surpassed Nolan's Batman in some eyes ( i go back and forth on this) and still not even a hint of an announcement if Gunn would be ready to just incorporate that Batman into his DCU or make a completely new one again ( can there be something like Batman fatigue?).

So yeah, this plan seems very weird but like Marvel it is still in the very early stages and it took Marvel a half dozen or so movies ( no streaming shows at the time) before they went with the big one so if the DCU follows even remotely it'll be a while and much building of various characters before there is even a multi-hero big movie, possibly JLA or even something completely different.

I only know that i will show up to watch. Superman was amazing, Supergirl was good overall and Clayface switches gears completely so it picked my interest even though i don't like horror or horror adjacent entertainment usually ( i'm in the same boat as @The Nth Doctor ).

 

[camdudetenger2018]

i wonder if the lanterns tv show will be like the arrowverse

 

[Christopher]

There were also lower expectations for the commercial success of the movies back then.

So? Nobody'd heard of Luke Skywalker in 1977 or Buzz Lightyear in 1995, but those movies still had tons of commercial success. Worthwhile movies earn their popularity on their own merits. Riding on the coattails of past fame is a shortcut, not a prerequisite.

So yeah, this plan seems very weird but like Marvel it is still in the very early stages and it took Marvel a half dozen or so movies ( no streaming shows at the time) before they went with the big one so if the DCU follows even remotely it'll be a while and much building of various characters before there is even a multi-hero big movie, possibly JLA or even something completely different.

As I've said many times before, I'm unsympathetic to the assumption that DC's approach should just be a copy of Marvel's approach. What I liked about the DCEU from Aquaman onward was that it was a contrast to the MCU's approach rather than just a knockoff -- an episodic series of eclectic, individual standalone movies with the shared universe merely as a common background.

 

[FPAlpha]

So? Nobody'd heard of Luke Skywalker in 1977 or Buzz Lightyear in 1995, but those movies still had tons of commercial success. Worthwhile movies earn their popularity on their own merits. Riding on the coattails of past fame is a shortcut, not a prerequisite.




As I've said many times before, I'm unsympathetic to the assumption that DC's approach should just be a copy of Marvel's approach. What I liked about the DCEU from Aquaman onward was that it was a contrast to the MCU's approach rather than just a knockoff -- an episodic series of eclectic, individual standalone movies with the shared universe merely as a common background.

What made Marvel's approach better in my opinion than the Snyderverse is that through their process we got to know the main characters with at least their own movie before they were all thrown into the big team up Avengers movie, so the movie didn't need to "waste" time explaning the characters and could go straight into it.

This is my main gripe with the previous DC movies, too much standalone and missed oportunities so when the big one came it was just a CGI fest that overpowered the characters whereas with Avengers it was a CGI fest but we also knew the characters better and perhaps cared for them so the emotional connection was closer.

As i said - i don't know what Gunn's plan is and if he get's too see it fully realized if he doesn't meet success expectations at WB ( whatever that may me and how high they set the profit metric) but i have faith given what i have seen him do at this point both with Marvel and DC and i hope he gets a good run and is able to tell the stories he wants to tell.

 

[JD]

In the two roles I've seen Cavill in outside of Superman, Napoleon Solo and Gus, he has a light touch and good sense of comedic timing.

Gal Gadot, on the other hand, I caught her in a movie this morning called 'Criminal', and she's stiff as a board.

He was great as Geralt 1.0 in The Witcher. I think at this point that's surpassed Superman as his trademark role.

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That looks fantastic.

i wonder if the lanterns tv show will be like the arrowverse

No, it's going for a True Detective with superpowers kind of feel.

EW's current "cover story" is about Clayface with interviews with the cast, and director. If you're at all interested in the movie, it's definitely worth a read.
https://ew.com/clayface-cover-story-tom-rhys-harries-dc-r-rated-body-horror-exclusive-12022249

 

[The Nth Doctor]

As I've said many times before, I'm unsympathetic to the assumption that DC's approach should just be a copy of Marvel's approach. What I liked about the DCEU from Aquaman onward was that it was a contrast to the MCU's approach rather than just a knockoff -- an episodic series of eclectic, individual standalone movies with the shared universe merely as a common background.

While I agree in principle, I think DCU failed in executing that idea largely because I found most of those standalone attempts were lackluster, at best. The only standouts for me were Wonder Woman, Shazam!, and Birds of Prey and I've rather soured on the first two since watching them. Mind you, I still haven't watched Black Adam or Blue Beetle yet but the mixed reviews among fans, critics, and the general public doesn't give me much hope beyond an enjoyable flick...and quickly forgotten.