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Decanonization Time!

That is what we really need AI for. Just unperson him from the episode.
Do we really need history to repeat itself?

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Obviously you need to decanonize Amok Time. Vulcan is not depicted as a conquered world ...

Do Japan or Germany look like conquered nations?

I get your being funny, but you've pushed me down a rabbit hole. What would a conquered Vulcan look like? Does the fact Spock serves as an equal contradict the notion of a conquered Vulcan?

Let's take Japan or Germany as examples. Anyone see or remember the old Andy Griff show "Salvage 1"?

Salvage 1 was a 1979 ABC science-fiction/comedy series starring Andy Griffith as Harry Broderick, a resourceful junk dealer who runs the "Jettison Scrap and Salvage Co." After realizing the massive amount of expensive equipment left on the moon by Apollo missions, Broderick builds a homemade spaceship from junkyard parts to go retrieve and sell it.

At any rate, the main characters in one episode encounter a marooned Japanese soldier hold out on some tropical island who still thinks the war is ongoing. After being convinced the war ended decades earlier, the soldier is returned to 1979 Japan. His first words on seeing Tokyo are "are you sure we lost?".

Why can't Amok Time depict a conquered Vulcan?

Yeah, I know we discard McCoy's throw away line....
 
I resist the idea of "decanonization" -- in part because it plays into the modern notion that "canon" is all-important. And that the quality of an episode somehow determines how "canon" it it.

And we can't rewrite history to pretend we never watched it.

I, too, took this topic to be a bit of fun...

On the other hand, while I understand your point, isn't that what we are being told to do? Canon is irrelevant to a good story? If the writers don't like how something was previously depicted, they can just change it.


That is what we really need AI for.... take an episode like The Deadly Years and AI the actors faces when they really were elderly onto the ep.

I expect this is what will happen and feel this is an appropriate use for AI.

Unfortunately, stuff like this is liable to be wild with AI on the scene. And, it isn't AI's fault. This is purely a human compulsion to rewrite the past.

Liable? It already is. Has been for a while. There's a Facebook feed that keeps showing up on my feed where people submit a picture for others to manipulate. Many times the request is to remove an ex from a family photo. AI is making this quicker, easier, and more seductive.
 
Do Japan or Germany look like conquered nations?

I get your being funny, but you've pushed me down a rabbit hole. What would a conquered Vulcan look like? Does the fact Spock serves as an equal contradict the notion of a conquered Vulcan?

Let's take Japan or Germany as examples. Anyone see or remember the old Andy Griff show "Salvage 1"?

Salvage 1 was a 1979 ABC science-fiction/comedy series starring Andy Griffith as Harry Broderick, a resourceful junk dealer who runs the "Jettison Scrap and Salvage Co." After realizing the massive amount of expensive equipment left on the moon by Apollo missions, Broderick builds a homemade spaceship from junkyard parts to go retrieve and sell it.

At any rate, the main characters in one episode encounter a marooned Japanese soldier hold out on some tropical island who still thinks the war is ongoing. After being convinced the war ended decades earlier, the soldier is returned to 1979 Japan. His first words on seeing Tokyo are "are you sure we lost?".

Why can't Amok Time depict a conquered Vulcan?

Yeah, I know we discard McCoy's throw away line....
I remember that show!
 
However, if you want a serious answer, in my mind de-canonizing something just means that future productions no longer treat it as having happened.

The vast majority of what happens in any given Star Trek (or Doctor Who or whatever) episode never gets mentioned again anyway, so why bother coming up with an official procedure to specifically say it didn't happen?
 
The vast majority of what happens in any given Star Trek (or Doctor Who or whatever) episode never gets mentioned again anyway, so why bother coming up with an official procedure to specifically say it didn't happen?

Way to kill time on the way to my pressboard coffin?
 
The vast majority of what happens in any given Star Trek (or Doctor Who or whatever) episode never gets mentioned again anyway, so why bother coming up with an official procedure to specifically say it didn't happen?
Well, anything that we discuss here is just fans talking, so there would be nothing "official" about it. However, there have been some times when it has come up among the actual production team. Roddenberry reportedly did not want TFF considered a part of canon.

The biggest reason I could see it coming up is if a future producer wanted to pick up from a certain point and not be tethered to what has already been done beyond that point. For example, if someone wanted to do a series set right after TNG, but didn't want to have to work within the confines of what was defined as happening at that time by DS9 and Voyager. Something like that.
 
The biggest reason I could see it coming up is if a future producer wanted to pick up from a certain point and not be tethered to what has already been done beyond that point. For example, if someone wanted to do a series set right after TNG, but didn't want to have to work within the confines of what was defined as happening at that time by DS9 and Voyager. Something like that.

I'd really like to think that a future producer would rather just do something new.
 
The vast majority of what happens in any given Star Trek (or Doctor Who or whatever) episode never gets mentioned again anyway, so why bother coming up with an official procedure to specifically say it didn't happen?
My favourite genre of Star Trek is when they bring back something previously pretty explicitly de-canonized. Like the Transwarp Salamanders in Lower Decks or Sybok in SNW.
 
I would decanonize Discovery. Strange New Worlds would explicitly be set in an alternate reality of Trek.

I would decanonize Lower Decks, Star Trek Picard. Basically everything released after Star Trek Enterprise except Strange New Worlds.

I would decanonize the Romulan Supernova. Seriously, that thing to me might be the most dislikable thing in Trek.

In my interpretation of Canon, it "ends" after the the signing of the end of the Dominion War. I would love a new series taking place roughly 100, 150 years after the Dominion War, perhaps a new golden era of exploration and innovation happens. The Romulans and Federation may be at peace, perhaps the Klingons have even joined the Federation by that time.
 
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