There were only three people. Data was an android, Troi had her feely face on, so she was already reacting and Riker was in command, which meant he had to be the calm, rational center.
I'm still struggling with this particular complaint.
There were only three people. Data was an android, Troi had her feely face on, so she was already reacting and Riker was in command, which meant he had to be the calm, rational center.
I'm still struggling with this particular complaint.
They came to the first two Abrams movies because they were starved because of years of absence of Star Trek. I actually did that too. I watched them but I didn't like them.
Dis VOY lose viewers? Didn't Seven save the show when she arrived in season 4? have they mislead us about that?
I don't think such a movie with characters from the three popular series would have failed, at least not if they had came up with a good story for it.
VOY had it's fault but it didn't "kill" the Berman era. Both TNG and DS9 were popular and something interesting could have come out of that if they didn't had got the stupid idea about a retro series.
ENT was just boring with boring characters compared to TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY.
Bringing back the Berman era would at least keep the loyal fans.
More Gloom Trek will definitely kill Star Trek. Just look at how popular the recent series have been, they aren't even close to the popularity TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY have.
I haven't watched Lower decks so I won't comment on it. But they could have spared us from PIC and DSC.
I can agree that people want a good show.
Which they had in TNG, DS9 and VOY but not in recent "Gloom Trek".
And people also want good characters who they can like and identify with.
Just look at NCIS!
Even if the adventures take place in the "Gray universe", the series have likeable characters and a bit of humor here and there too, at least when characters like Tony DiNozzo, Abby Sciuto and "Ducky" Mallard were in the series.
The series may have lost some of it's former greatness due to the absence of the great characters from the beginning of the series but it's still watchable.
I do think that series which have great written stories, likeable characters and a sense of humor will last longer than series with gloomy scenarios and downrigt boring and annoying characters.
Going back to the "Berman era" doesn't have to include the mistakes Berman made.
I would also like to see more Tellarites and Andorians.
As you probably have seen, I've been very critical to a lot of things Berman and his crew did. But compared with what we have today, most of that Berman and his crew did was quite good.
But it is the true fans who have kept Star Trek alive for all these years.
But that shows a great interest for the product. I see nothing wrong with that sort of engagement.
Not as unhealthy than being stuck in this horrible decade with its lousy music, movies and TV-series.
I mean, who want to watch all those gloomy shows with unlikable and downright disgusting characters.
I mean, there ain't funny series available either. A series like Married With Children and some British humor series like Fawlty Towers with a lot of sick and twisted humor aren't possible now, due to someone might get "offended" by the content.
I like Married With Children because that series had some characters which actually reminded me of people I knew in real life, including myself in some situations. I could identify with some of the characters and events in it, both as a young guy and the somewhat older guy I migt be now and it made me laugh.
And I like to laugh and joke! Even at myself now and then!
In fact, without spending some time now and then watching better shows from the past and listen to good music from the same era is what's keep me healthy and happy.
But I could actually come up with a perfect story for a typical series in the 2020's abuot a Spaceship Captain who is constantly on pills to cope with the work, a First Officer who is a paranoid person and a bunch of crewmembers with all kinds of faults and issues who hate each other.
Then make it like Stargate Universe with episode after episode with fighting and arguing among the crewmembers. Then let's see how long it will last.
To post a "laughing emoji" as a reply to a post is childish and also show a contempt for people with other opinions.
A behavior which I think don't belong on this forum.
Then go watch Enterprise.
I rather watch TOS.
ENT was boring.
A lot of Star Trek is boring. From 1966 all the way to 2026.
Two. Three if you count Kirk.
Of course I used a laughing emoji. Your suggestion isn't realistic and it's comedy gold (hence my emoji) coupled with your assumption you know how to keep "loyal fans" (whatever that is) by using an already done formatted version of Trek that ended its run back in 2005.
Quoted for truth.
Then leave me to my irrational and unenlightened perspective. It is not logical.
The more I think about it, the more the characters being essentially ciphers for the plot is probably a part of what made TNG actually work for so many people. They have just barely enough texture that you could probably come up with three adjectives to describe each, but otherwise they exist entirely as vehicles through which each week's plot is experienced.
That reads like a weakness under modern TV criticism criteria but it's probably a strength. Riker doesn't really need to be anything other than "relatively likeable guy who keeps having weird things happen to him", nor does Troi need to be much more than "empathetic alien woman who keeps getting psychic headaches because of space bullshit".
It also helps the guest stars of each week shine a bit more, which I wonder if might have been the original idea - the crew are just a sort of stable presence, and the focus of each episode is on the people and situations they're encountering.
That reads like a weakness under modern TV criticism criteria but it's probably a strength. Riker doesn't really need to be anything other than "relatively likeable guy who keeps having weird things happen to him", nor does Troi need to be much more than "empathetic alien woman who keeps getting psychic headaches because of space bullshit".
It also helps the guest stars of each week shine a bit more, which I wonder if might have been the original idea - the crew are just a sort of stable presence, and the focus of each episode is on the people and situations they're encountering.
define “alive”. In any case, no I don’t think so. Reruns and streaming fees have kept Star Trek alive, such as it is, not a small group of laudable people intensely interested in how big the Enterprise is.
I have follow up questions.
The child was from the Gamma Quadrant.
Not had a bassinet, eh?"
This is a good way to put it. They are ciphers are an adventure. Which is a great way to look at it if you just want the adventure.
The Berman era nearly killed the franchise, as the ever-worsening ratings show over time:Dis VOY lose viewers? Didn't Seven save the show when she arrived in season 4? have they mislead us about that?
I don't think such a movie with characters from the three popular series would have failed, at least not if they had came up with a good story for it.
VOY had it's fault but it didn't "kill" the Berman era. Both TNG and DS9 were popular and something interesting could have come out of that if they didn't had got the stupid idea about a retro series.
ENT was just boring with boring characters compared to TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY.
Bringing back the Berman era would at least keep the loyal fans.
By the end of TNG, the dew started coming off that lily and every single series consistently ate it in the ratings. Even TNG itself began falling off by the end of the run, nearly ending even with where it began.
I do not agree this data shows that TNG's ratings fell off near the end of its run. The red data points show the series starting off with ratings around 10 or so and rising to around 12 by the end. The turn-down at series end implied by the red curve fitted to the data does not look statistically significant to me. On the other hand, the decline in ratings for DS9 and VOY is clear, although for the latter in particular the fitted curve may overstate the decline in the early seasons. The data for ENT is very messy so discerning a clear trend isn't easy, although it may have declined somewhat from its start.
One needs to be very cautious in making inferences based on arbitrary fit functions being applied to noisy data.
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