Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

[BillJ]

When DSC is good it can be outstanding. "New Eden" may be the single best episode of Star Trek in the streaming era PERIOD and at worst falls within the Top Five.

But when it was bad, YIKES, was that some disappointing Star Trek.

Conceptually, a lot of the ideas were interesting.

When I heard about the Spore Drive, I had visions of it carrying on "Where No One Had Gone Before" had left off. Exploring the actual universe and who we are and what our purpose is in the grand scheme of things. What I got was an ill-advised trip to the Mirror Universe.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

All true, and mostly examples from when Gene left. We can all find exceptions to the rule in Trek. I mean can you go to warp inside a solar system or not? The sacred texts are flawed!

It is consistently inconsistent

 

[cooleddie74]

And that's one of the VERY bad things about DSC. That long Mirror Universe detour that may be the third worst thing in all of streaming Trek, behind only S31 and Season 2 of PIC.

Those episodes are pure garbage.

Even the DSC Klingon makeup annoyed me less than the Mirror Universe episodes.

 

[BillJ]

The lack of compassion told me enough.

What it told me is that they are experienced officers and understand when something needs to be allowed to play out. Also, Zorn had already threatened them with the Ferengi.

I'm no longer in the compassion business after someone threatens me.

 

[fireproof78]

What it told me is that they are experienced officers and understand when something needs to be allowed to play out. Also, Zorn had already threatened them with the Ferengi.

I'm no longer in the compassion business after someone threatens me.

Again, logical.


Beatings shall continue until you learn your lesson.

It's fascinating to me that this considered an enlightened age of humanity who goes back to "spare the rod and spill the child."

 

[Turtletrekker]

And that's one of the VERY bad things about DSC. That long Mirror Universe detour that may be the third worst thing in all of streaming Trek, behind only S31 and Season 2 of PIC.

Those episodes are pure garbage.

Even the DSC Klingon makeup annoyed me less than the Mirror Universe episodes.

Discovery's Mirror Universe Arc was a two-episode story stretched out to, what five? Similar to Picard season 2, which was a four episode story stretched out into 10 (and that's leaving the first and final episodes largely intact).

Section 31, conversely, was a 10 episode story scrunched into 90 minutes.

 

[BillJ]

It's fascinating to me that this considered an enlightened age of humanity who goes back to "spare the rod and spill the child."

Humanity isn't the one doing it. They are allowing a dispute to play out between an aggressor and the agrieved party.

 

[Farscape One]

I didn't say to intervene. The lack of compassion told me enough. Unmoved by suffering is ultimate what rationality will lead to.

There is such a thing as just giving away undeserved compassion.

Those who torture others reap what they sow. They have it coming.

 

[Hellbird]

I was enjoying DSC S1 until they went into the MU and made Lorca a silly villain.

The mirror universe feels like something you should earn after a few solid seasons.

 

[fireproof78]

Humanity isn't the one doing it. They are allowing a dispute to play out between an aggressor and the agrieved party.

They don't seem fussed by it either. "Oh, torture? Yawn."

Like I said, it's all very logical, cold and utilitarian. If that is the ideal human response then that's fine but it won't welcome me in to it. It's not inspiring to become better.

 

[fireproof78]

There is such a thing as just giving away undeserved compassion.

Those who torture others reap what they sow. They have it coming.

As I said, logical. Heartless and logical. "The thing about logic is you can use it to justify anything."

So it will go. People unconcerned.

 

[BillJ]

They don't seem fussed by it either. "Oh, torture? Yawn."

Like I said, it's all very logical, cold and utilitarian. If that is the ideal human response then that's fine but it won't welcome me in to it. It's not inspiring to become better.

Hard to show compassion to someone willing to lie right to the bitter end...

TROI: That's it, sir. It's just one alien that I'm sensing here.
ZORN: Please! I don't understand what you want!
TROI: Not true. He does know.
ZORN: No, please, no more. No more! No, no, no, don't!

And they did end his suffering. Had to go back to the script, it's been a while.

The Next Generation Transcripts - Encounter at Farpoint

 

[fireproof78]

Hard to show compassion to someone willing to lie right to the bitter end...

I suppose for some.


May you find your way as pleasant.

 

[Rebel Scum]

As I said, logical. Heartless and logical. "The thing about logic is you can use it to justify anything."

So it will go. People unconcerned.

They're not actually living breathing people, they're characters being portrayed in a fictional setting by actors so there's no real life consequences.

 

[BillJ]

Then continued to lie...

ZORN: Please believe me, we meant no harm to the creature. It was starving for energy.
PICARD: Which your world furnishes you in plenty.
ZORN: We did feed it.
PICARD: Only enough to keep it alive, so that you could force it to shape itself into whatever form you needed!

There was a party to feel bad for. The creature that was being abused. Sometimes, when one is a sack of shit like Zorn is, allowing them to experience a little discomfort isn't all that terrible.

 

[fireproof78]

They're not actually living breathing people, they're characters being portrayed in a fictional setting by actors so there's no real life consequences.

Which means the art has failed. I should believe these are people in a real setting, especially if I'm told this is an enlightened humanity.

 

[BillJ]

Which means the art has failed. I should believe these are people in a real setting, especially if I'm told this is an enlightened humanity.

In all honesty, you're really misrepresenting what went on. Within two minutes of finding Zorn, they had freed him. I'm not exactly sure what else they were supposed to do?

You make it sound like they had a party and reveled in his discomfort. Which didn't remotely happen.

 

[fireproof78]

In all honesty, you're really misrepresenting what went on. Within two minutes of finding Zorn, they had freed him. I'm not exactly sure what else they were supposed to do?

You make it sound like they had a party and reveled in his discomfort. Which didn't remotely happen.

You're reading in to what I am saying. Focusing on behavior of the characters which isn't my focus at all. I'm not misrepresenting anything but watching a show and feeling no emotions from the characters is unsettling to me. It's even more unsettling to be told that is what humans should aspire to be is unemotional logicians.

 

[Rebel Scum]

Which means the art has failed. I should believe these are people in a real setting, especially if I'm told this is an enlightened humanity.

There's something to be said for the quality of verisimilitude giving characters and circumstances depth, sure.

I don't take ST seriously as I once did but each to their own.

 

[fireproof78]

There's something to be said for the quality of verisimilitude giving characters and circumstances depth, sure.

I don't take ST seriously as I once did but each to their own.

Sadly, the versimiltude of TNG was thin to begin with and did not welcome me in, so I sit outside.