Which is not what I said at all.
I asked because we know Georgiou little about Georgiou's moral upbringing yet demand her bevheir to that standard.
I asked because we know Georgiou little about Georgiou's moral upbringing yet demand her bevheir to that standard.
He can stay round your house then mate. The monster killed 40 million people.
Of course any sane leader would lock him up. He's the worst mass murderer in history and you would just turn him loose? He's going to kill again!
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Ok, I asked a question..... Would Goebells or Hitler or Sadam Hussain, or Mengele, or Pol Pot be redeemable in your opinion?
You replied with..... Do we know the moral system they were raised under?
Rather than saying 'no, of course not'.
You do realize it was actually Nhan who said the "yum yum" line, right?
Yes. Georgiou has some equally horrid lines about wanting to make Leland scream. That whole episode bothers me greatly. The thing with Gene at the end was just awful. Such bad taste.
I googled a quote from the episode. It demonstrates her sadism. She's a killer enjoying herself and it's horrid.
This does not end here."
"Actually, it does. And it's going to hurt. And I'd like to hear you scream now."
"Argh, argh... No!"
"Huhuhuhuhu!"
Gene was actually from two episodes later.
They're high in cholestrol & have a stringy texture.Unlike Kelpiens…
You don't want to eat Kelpiens.
Since he came from a different universe, we have no way of knowing if he actually did anything.
And by the way, in the era Genghis Khan lived, there were a lot of people around who would be considered murderers today. Even regular people. Life was not exactly sunshine and roses back then, and what might pass for just another day in that time would be seen as very cruel today.
Like Sisko said to Jake in "IN THE HANDS OF THE PROPHETS", "It's easy to look back seven centuries and judge what was right and wrong."
And that's ignoring the point of my question.
Try holding a flashlight perfectly steady, and you will see why. Even better, hold a laser pointer. People's hands shake, this causes beam jitter.
Also as to the explanation for the sound of phasers in Star Trek, the frequency of the sound tells us exactly what is happening with the beam. Especially with regards atmospheric collapse.
I understand how beam jitter would happen if you were trying to keep it aimed at a specific spot, but sweeping side to side is fairly smooth.
Perhaps waste heat is a limiter.
Beams feel very awkward.
Beams feel very awkward.
Sweeping with projectile weapons, which have a kick, is standard practice while that minor hand/beam jitter is an insurmountable obstacle.
My point was that if you knew that you had a mass murderer coming from a parallel universe - which is the situation in Discovery, then you would not simply give that person a pass because they didn't murder anyone in your own universe.
And I'm not in favour of hand waving away atrocities because 'it was the past' or 'the morality of the time was different'. That's the argument Nazi's used after the war and that argument of "just following orders" was dismantled at the Nuremberg trials. Sadly though, so many evil prison guards 'got away with' comitting atrocities at places like Belsen. The courts could not prosecute them without proof that they'd killed a specific person. These guys were selected because they were cruel and sadistic - they took pleasure in killing as Georgiou does.
Thankfully in 2011, German courts established that simply serving at a death or labor camp made a guard complicit in the camp's operations, even without proof of a direct killing. Finally, some of the few remaining survivors got some justice as those evil men were convicted.
Frankly I do not see how that is an insurmountable obstacle unless you are aiming a very long distance. Holding a flashlight or laser pointer you can sweep from side to side in a pretty clean line
Comparing what the Nazis did to Georgiou is not right for one simple reason.
Nazis knew what they were doing was wrong because there was an overall fundamental morality (for lack of a better term) in place in the world, so they weren't redeemable because they DID know it was wrong.
Georgiou, on the other hand, DID NOT because there was no overall fundamental morality in her world. And as already noted, once she was exposed to Federation values, she had shown a change for the better.
Same with life for people hundreds of years ago... survival was the only thing on most people's minds. Morality, of any sort, was a luxury.
Today we don't even do Nuremberg trials, we just do the collective shrug.
A lot of new significant alien species names that begin with K. Kelpiens, Khionians, Kasq, Kwejians.
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