New StarGate series Prime Video.

[Noname Given]

I had never heard about any of that before, it's scary how big of an impact residuals can have on shows. I know we got Paris instead of Locarno in Star Trek: Voyager because of residuals, and I think they might have also the reason we got Kira instead of Ro in Deep Space Nine.

Kira instead of Ro on DS9 was because Michelle Forbes turned down the offer. (And one of DS9's producers wrote the episode that introduced her in TNG so if he wanted he could have forgone the residuals.

You mentioned what happened with the Locarno/Paris situation (and in that case both characters were played by the same actor.)

The other Trek related instance was Enterprise as T'Pol was originally going to be 'T'Pau (from TOS S2 Amok Time) - and yes they eventually did show T'Pau in two episodes but they paid the royalties for those two episodes instead of the full run of 98.

But yeah, studios are always looking to keep what they consider unnecessary production costs down.

 

[Tuskin38]

I know we got Paris instead of Locarno in Star Trek: Voyager because of residuals

That's not why, the producers of Voyager thought Locarno was irredeemable according to the TNG Season 5 special features. Yet Paris, according to Caretaker, did nearly the same thing, except it was 3 officers that died instead of one cadet lmao

Ronald D. Moore and Naren Shankar were staff writers on TNG at the time they wrote 'The First Duty', so residuals shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Noname Given]

That's not why, the producers of Voyager thought Locarno was irredeemable according to the TNG Season 5 special features. Yet Paris, according to Caretaker, did nearly the same thing, except it was 3 officers that died instead of one cadet lmao

Ronald D. Moore and Naren Shankar were staff writers on TNG at the time they wrote 'The First Duty', so residuals shouldn't be an issue.

'Too irredeemable', eh?

Interesting given what was written for Benjamin Sisko who poisoned two planetary ecosystems to get Human and Cardassian colonists to move and was involved in an outright scam that cost multiple lives (one a Criminal and the others a Romulan Senator and his aides/bodyguards) to trick the Romulan Empire into joining the Dominion War on the Federation side. (And he tells us himself he can live with it...)

Yes, Lacarno convinced some cadets to lie about an accident - and also they ALL used peer pressure to get the Cadet who cused the accident killed - but yeah, sorry, if that's the Bar set - EVERYONE in that group of Cadets should be irredeemable. (And yeah, they killed off one of them too in TNG S7 Lower Decks - and I think the other dies at the Voyager helm when it got swept into the Gamma Quadrant in the show's Pilot...

But hell, both Wesley and Sisko achieve effective Godhood (and Sisko near sainthood to the Bajoran people); so yeah, gotta love the hypocrisy of the writing staff in the Berman 24th century Trek era, eh?

> - End of the Derail - <

back to the hypocrisy of StarGate SG-1

 

[Tuskin38]

and I think the other dies at the Voyager helm when it got swept into the Gamma Quadrant in the show's Pilot...

Delta Quadrant.

The Helm officer that died in Caretaker was a Betazoid named Stadi, played by Alicia Coppola, who was not in The First Duty.

 

[Christopher]

That's not why, the producers of Voyager thought Locarno was irredeemable according to the TNG Season 5 special features. Yet Paris, according to Caretaker, did nearly the same thing, except it was 3 officers that died instead of one cadet lmao

Like they say, it's not the crime that gets you, it's the coverup. The difference is that Locarno hid his guilt until he was exposed, and was willing to besmirch the dead cadet's reputation to cover his own ass, while Paris chose to come forward and confess, even though he'd already gotten away with it. The first step to redemption is admitting one's guilt, owning up and taking responsibility. That's what made Paris redeemable when Locarno wasn't.

 

[JD]

It's not residuals that are scary; they're how writers get paid fairly for the reuse of their creations, and are vital to their livelihood. What's scary is how often studios find ways to avoid paying writers residuals. What's scary is when people like the late Peter David create characters that are used in Marvel movies that earn billions of dollars, but struggle to pay for vital medical treatment because the only compensation they get for the use of their characters is a "Special Thanks" credit.

Oh no, I didn't mean the residuals were a bad thing, I just meant that it's shitty that they're making decisions like that just because they're greedy and don't want to pay residuals. I completely about the creators who create popular characters, there's no way someone who's created a massively popular character should be broke and have to beg for money on GoFundMe just to pay their bills. I know technically it's all work for hire, but they still deserve more when the characters really take off, especially in movies and TV shows.

Kira instead of Ro on DS9 was because Michelle Forbes turned down the offer. (And one of DS9's producers wrote the episode that introduced her in TNG so if he wanted he could have forgone the residuals.

You mentioned what happened with the Locarno/Paris situation (and in that case both characters were played by the same actor.)

The other Trek related instance was Enterprise as T'Pol was originally going to be 'T'Pau (from TOS S2 Amok Time) - and yes they eventually did show T'Pau in two episodes but they paid the royalties for those two episodes instead of the full run of 98.

But yeah, studios are always looking to keep what they consider unnecessary production costs down.

Ok, I wasn't as sure on that one.

That's not why, the producers of Voyager thought Locarno was irredeemable according to the TNG Season 5 special features. Yet Paris, according to Caretaker, did nearly the same thing, except it was 3 officers that died instead of one cadet lmao

Ronald D. Moore and Naren Shankar were staff writers on TNG at the time they wrote 'The First Duty', so residuals shouldn't be an issue.

I never heard that before, and I could that I remembered someone talking about getting out of paying residuals by creating Paris. I guess I was wrong.

 

[David cgc]

Well, shit.

‘Stargate’ TV Series From Martin Gero Not Moving Forward at Amazon (EXCLUSIVE)

The new "Stargate" TV series has been axed at Amazon, Variety has learned.

variety.com

Apparently, Amazon execs were concerned this premise (whatever it may have been) wouldn't attract audiences beyond the existing Stargate fanbase.

 

[Tuskin38]

Eat shit Amazon

 

[Wingcommanderdarkwolf01]

For fuck's sake.

 

[Verteron]

Fer crying out loud.

 

[David cgc]

Deadline has posted a story, as well, with a bit more hot goss.

Martin Gero's 'Stargate' Series Not Moving Forward At Amazon

Stargate, which received a series order by Prime Video in November 2025, will not be moving forward, Deadline has confirmed.

deadline.com

Looks like it was a casualty of "not invented here" syndrome; the execs that originally backed it have left the company after the new head of Worldbuilding & Genre Series (that's actually the official title, which makes me, with my shelf of art-of books and tech manuals, feel a little objectified) started in February, and since it's the old guys' project, the new guy doesn't want to keep it going.

 

[oktay]

Based on the news reports, the goal is probably something similar to the newer Star Trek shows: a project that shares the same name but has little in common with previous Stargate productions in terms of tone and creative direction. My guess is that, since there is still interest in producing a new Stargate project, an offer will be made to Eric Kripke.

 

[Terror Door]

Gotta learn not to get excited for things until they are really happening...

What really sucks here that it wasn't something that was put in development by some producer or other, mentioned in Variety and then forgotten as happens with so many projects. They announced it via fan sites and assured everyone it would be a continuation, they gave it a series order, they had a staffed writer's room, they were doing pre-production and early casting, and then this? They really made certain the existing fanbase will hate whatever else they might put in development now using the brand, so good luck with that.

 

[bdub76]

After both Trek blew up with SFA and Doctor Who blew up on Disney+, maybe Amazon is taking a safe route, not wanting to destroy the IP.

 

[Caretaker]

Not looking forward to explaining this to my father. He was looking forward to some new Stargate.

 

[oktay]

After both Trek blew up with SFA and Doctor Who blew up on Disney+, maybe Amazon is taking a safe route, not wanting to destroy the IP

Did you read the article? What Amazon seems to want is the same thing Paramount's previous management did with Discovery in 2017: a show that is called Stargate but has very little creative connection to the earlier productions. The goal appears to be appealing to people who are not already Stargate fans, since existing Stargate fans are expected to watch it anyway.

 

[Tuskin38]

Did you read the article? What Amazon seems to want is the same thing Paramount's previous management did with Discovery in 2017: a show that is called Stargate but has very little creative connection to the earlier productions.

Discovery had a lot of creative connections with the previous series.
Sure the art style changed, but it pulled a lot of lore from them.

Or do you mean creative people?

After both Trek blew up with SFA and Doctor Who blew up on Disney+, maybe Amazon is taking a safe route, not wanting to destroy the IP.

Sounds more like they want to reinvent the IP, that isn't safe.

And SFA didn't blow up the Star Trek IP.

 

[bdub76]

Did you read the article? What Amazon seems to want is the same thing Paramount's previous management did with Discovery in 2017: a show that is called Stargate but has very little creative connection to the earlier productions. The goal appears to be appealing to people who are not already Stargate fans, since existing Stargate fans are expected to watch it anyway.

It really needs an Eleventh Hour or a Rose equivalent episode, where the new viewer is brought in without having to know a lot about the series.

A new Stargate show runs a risk of demanding that the viewer watch all of the back catalog. Doctor Who has gone down this rabbit hole too many times with stories requiring watching really old stuff.

I do like how Leverage: Redemption and Librarians: The Next Chapter have handled their previous shows.

 

[Mudd]

the same thing Paramount's previous management did with Discovery in 2017: a show that is called Stargate but has very little creative connection to the earlier productions.

That's not an accurate characterization.

 

[oktay]

Discovery had a lot of creative connections with the previous series.
Sure the art style changed, but it pulled a lot of lore from them.

Or do you mean creative people?


Sounds more like they want to reinvent the IP, that isn't safe.

And SFA didn't blow up the Star Trek IP.

It did not change only visually. There was also a shift in storytelling. In older Star Trek shows, characters were more likely to engage in philosophical discussions rather than jump into action. Likewise, even though the first ten Star Trek films contained plenty of action, they still operated with the same mindset. The newer Trek productions, starting with Star Trek: Discovery and even Star Trek (2009), became much more focused on spectacle and action. So, as pointed out in the comment being quoted, the intellectual property was reimagined, and the same thing will likely happen with Stargate.