Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x09 – “300th Night”

[Nerys Myk]

While the mines were detected the end of the episode, they don't appear to have been detonated yet. Presumably the situation will be explained at the beginning of the finale.

Some character: If we <tech the tech> the entire Omega network will go down!
Ake: Make it happen!

 

[1001001]

They could just deploy Alpha Particles to cancel the mines out.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Yeah, they just need a bomb that restores subspace.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

They could just deploy Alpha Particles to cancel the mines out.

Yes, convert them into a stream of muons and neutrinos! It could work!

 

[tenmei]

Yes, convert them into a stream of muons and neutrinos! It could work!

"Reverse the polarity of the neutron flow, Doctor ..."

 

[Turtletrekker]

You cannot change the laws of physics!

 

[tenmei]

You cannot change the laws of physics!

Great - now that's me with Star Trekkin stuck in my head.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Great - now that's me with Star Trekkin stuck in my head.

"We're boldly going forward 'cause we cannot find reverse".

 

[Fateor]

Yeah, they just need a bomb that restores subspace.

They can probably use the spore drive to do it.

After all, everyone knows mushrooms are natures way of healing.

 

[Michael]

The one you responded to in this thread certainly wasn't.

Your original statement in this thread was “… the show had it's [sic] budget pulled out from under it a couple episodes into filming”. It’s not my job to disprove an assertion for which no concrete evidence has been presented. In fact, you yourself later shifted to “The current estimate is about 10m per episode, [which] probably feels low to [producer Noga Landau], but its [sic] not.” So it frankly appears like you don’t even think your statement in this thread was accurate or defendable.

The second is half right, looks like they filmed the bench portion there but the wall portion elsewhere. (Likely indoors given the need for a safety harness for Caleb's actor.)

First of all: No, the fence was clearly on location as well. Just look at the actual episode instead of relying on your memory. The fence is barely higher than your average ladder and I doubt they used any kind of safety harness for this laughable height.

But much more importantly: Who gives a toss? This is entirely besides the point, because the reason for putting together this list was to disprove your ridiculous assertion that they filmed all of these locations (everything other than the nightclub in “Series Acclimation Mil”; which you were so sure was a set on stage) in the same fucking place, saying they were “actually a single location shoot stretched to cover multiple episodes. (Specifically the University of Waterloo)”. You even claimed one just needed to look at that location because the college campus was “edging up against a suspiciously familiar bit of "wilderness".

So, once more for the cheap seats: No, they fucking were demonstrably not all the same location. You can try and shift to talking about those individual locations, but you won’t get me to forget what this was originally about. My memory is getting worse with age, but it ain’t that bad yet.

The third is what I said... So, thank you for agreeing with me?

No, absolutely not. You were so damn sure that all the locations shoots (Bajor in “Kids These Days”, the campus in “Beta Test” and “Vitus Reflex” and Krios in “Vox in Excelso”) were all filmed in a “single location shoot”, which they clearly were not. Heck, even what we see as “the Academy campus” in “Beta Test” and “Vitus Reflex” wasn’t all filmed at CIGI Campus in Waterloo, Ontario, but also on East Island in Toronto and Churchill Meadows Community Centre in Mississauga, Ontario.

Let‘s not forget that all of this — this entire argument — came from you claiming they can’t “even afford to do location shoots” and it was “actually a single location shoot stretched to cover multiple episodes.” You were cocksure that they filmed this all on the cheap at the same place. Which I wouldn’t even mind if they did, but as should be obvious by now, it just ain’t the truth.

The fifth is incorrect as that is a digital set extension. (Likely using scenery shots picked up when they were filming there for Discovery.) (Also, before you try and argue that I am mistaken here, note that they had multiple rock ring fires going, which are fully illegal in Canadian national parks.)

What the hell are you even talking about? It’s not a “digital set extension”. They were absolutely at the Kelso Conservation Area and filmed the episode there. And what “scenery shots” from Discovery do you see in this? Can you please post screenshots or links with these wild assertions, because why should anyone bother believing anything you’re claiming if you don't bother looking into it yourself before making a claim?

Here’s a comparison of screenshots from the episode and the real world location, complete with identical rock formations and foliage pointed out. There should be no doubt that the episode was actually filmed there …

Spoiler: Comparions

And who cares about the fire? Maybe that was an effect added in post (which would be trivially easy to do). Or maybe they got a special permit for the fire. Or maybe there was yet another shooting location. Why the hell would it matter? You originally claimed it was all filmed around the same place where the Academy campus and the school on Bajor were filmed. That’s what this discussion was all about. And none of it is true.

I mean, yeah, they filmed scenes for the Academy campus at the same location for two episodes. A real location that’s supposed to represent the same in-universe location. Whoop-de-doo, so this is your smoking gun that they can’t afford location shoots? The only thing this proves is that they are shooting economically, which is exactly what the showrunner is saying in interviews.

Sorry, the other was a Discovery set from season 2, not SNW.

Okay, cool. And where’s your evidence that “a significant portion of that market set [from “300th Night”] was from the Section 31 movie”? I mean, yeah, they both used the volumetric screen to extend the set digitally. But they still built a large portion of it as a practical set, as pointed out in this article: “For the final show-stopper of season one, we expanded the reach of the virtual production wall, building out over a 100-foot riser with a practical street set for our Kowloon-inspired salvage Planet, Ukeck.” If you’re “80%” sure it’s reusing set elements, it should be trivially easy to point them out for us.

 

[TRON JA307020]

The Enterprise travelled to Malcor which was 2000 light years from earth and we know it didn't take them 2 years to get there. We also know that it doesn't take 8 years to travel across the Federation. So either the amount space or the calculable speeds of warp travel is wrong.

Regardless, all this shows is that warp and distance are at the whims of the writers, especially in 90's trek.

Just saying. Federation space is bigger than few hundred light years like some are claiming.

 

[Tuskin38]

That said, it's arguably a character flaw that they even developed the weapons in the first place. They may have thought they were preparing to defend themselves if such weapons were ever needed. They seemed to have intended to keep the weapons secret. It's also arguably a character flaw that they didn't take their security more seriously.

My guess is that they were made after the Burn, just like with the War College, when the federation was a bit more militaristic.

Well… they really have painted themselves into a corner with these Omega mines, haven’t they?
If they have completely surrounded the federation in every direction, wand have destroyed Subspace (essential for warp travel) how can they get home?
The simple answer is: they can’t.
Well… the Captain might be able to survive long enough at impulse, but the students won’t.

The mines haven't gone off yet.

Federation space is bigger than few hundred light years like some are claiming.

Not right now, in the past yes.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

My guess is that they were made after the Burn, just like with the War College, when the federation was a bit more militaristic.

Maybe, that would be a good take.

 

[Turtletrekker]

They can probably use the spore drive to do it.

After all, everyone knows mushrooms are natures way of healing.

Honestly... I would be okay with that. My only (very big) objection would be that there was no foreshadowing of it.

 

[tenmei]

Honestly... I would be okay with that. My only (very big) objection would be that there was no foreshadowing of it.

Somebody said that Discovery referenced the myceleal nerwork as either parr of, or accessed via, subspace.

 

[Tuskin38]

Somebody said that Discovery referenced the myceleal nerwork as either parr of, or accessed via, subspace.

Stamets said the network was in a discrete layer of subspace.

STAMETS: So we need the spore drive to save Captain Lorca, but the spore drive is killing the Tardigrade. All right, let's start with our mushroom, prototaxites stellaviatori, a species made up of exotic material found not only in normal space, but in a discreet subspace domain known as the mycelial network. Its fungal roots, a.k.a. mycelium, spread across the universe, fanning out into infinity to create a matrix that serves as our intergalactic freeway system.

STAMETS: Dark matter is comprised of subatomic particles and the mycelial network is a subspace domain, the prefix sub being the only morpheme that even remotely connects those two ideas.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Stamets said the network was in a discrete layer of subspace.

For the discerning space traveler.

 

[Tuskin38]

There's a Romulan wearing a 24th Century Romulan emblem on the planet

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

A Romulan trader on Ukeck is seen wearing a 24th century Romulan pin, similar to the ones worn by Romulan characters in #StarTrekTNG, #StarTrekDS9 and #StarTrekVOY - a real antique! :-)

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Some more high quality stills of the maps seen in the episode

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

For all the star chart lovers: Here are three screenshots from #StarfleetAcademy's "300th Night", highlighting large Alpha/Beta quadrant star chart seen in the episode. I love how many of the familiar planets are matched with real life star systems - makes #StarTrek stargazing so much more fun! :-)

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Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

The first Omega 47 mine in #StarfleetAcademy's "300th Night"⬆️ is dropped in an empty region of space between Delta IV (homeworld of the Deltans ↙️) and Miri's homeworld ⬇️. Comet 493-30923 is the comet from "Balance of Terror"↘️ (identified in #StarTrekSNW's "A Quality of Mercy").

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[Turtletrekker]

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

A Romulan trader on Ukeck is seen wearing a 24th century Romulan pin, similar to the ones worn by Romulan characters in #StarTrekTNG, #StarTrekDS9 and #StarTrekVOY - a real antique! :-)

bsky.app

You know, I actually clocked that while watching the episode, but it didn't even occur to me that it would be archaic in the 32nd century.

 

[Fateor]

Your original statement in this thread was “… the show had it's [sic] budget pulled out from under it a couple episodes into filming”. It’s not my job to disprove an assertion for which no concrete evidence has been presented. In fact, you yourself later shifted to “The current estimate is about 10m per episode, [which] probably feels low to [producer Noga Landau], but its [sic] not.” So it frankly appears like you don’t even think your statement in this thread was accurate or defendable.

Actually it's easily defensible, because we see the decline in digital assets and extra's as the season goes on.

First of all: No, the fence was clearly on location as well. Just look at the actual episode instead of relying on your memory. The fence is barely higher than your average ladder and I doubt they used any kind of safety harness for this laughable height.

I did, and then I compared it to the google map image of that same supposed angle, which is why I can tell it's a different location.

The path angles are wrong, the distances are wrong, the plant types are wrong, and they literally would have had to remove the city built gateway to put the fence in that position.

And that fence was about twice Caleb's 6'2" height, which makes it roughly 12 feet high. Above the general 10ft limit they set for requiring safety gear. And just so you know, falls from that "laughable height" give a 20% chance of death if someone were to fall from it.

What the hell are you even talking about? It’s not a “digital set extension”. They were absolutely at the Kelso Conservation Area and filmed the episode there. And what “scenery shots” from Discovery do you see in this? Can you please post screenshots or links with these wild assertions, because why should anyone bother believing anything you’re claiming if you don't bother looking into it yourself before making a claim?

Here’s a comparison of screenshots from the episode and the real world location, complete with identical rock formations and foliage pointed out. There should be no doubt that the episode was actually filmed there …

Those comparison shots don't match outside of the cliff.

You're basically taking similar shapes and claiming they're exactly the same. Except it's easy to see they're not. Hell, the tree's in one of those spots are of completely different type.

And who cares about the fire? Maybe that was an effect added in post (which would be trivially easy to do). Or maybe they got a special permit for the fire. Or maybe there was yet another shooting location. Why the hell would it matter? You originally claimed it was all filmed around the same place where the Academy campus and the school on Bajor were filmed. That’s what this discussion was all about. And none of it is true.

Actively burning fire is one of the more difficult things to do in post because of the shadowing. There are no special permits for that sort of thing because of wildfire dangers. And it matters because you claimed it was a specific location.

Okay, cool. And where’s your evidence that “a significant portion of that market set [from “300th Night”] was from the Section 31 movie”? I mean, yeah, they both used the volumetric screen to extend the set digitally. But they still built a large portion of it as a practical set, as pointed out in this article: “For the final show-stopper of season one, we expanded the reach of the virtual production wall, building out over a 100-foot riser with a practical street set for our Kowloon-inspired salvage Planet, Ukeck.” If you’re “80%” sure it’s reusing set elements, it should be trivially easy to point them out for us.

Yes, yes, you got me.

It was a reuse of set pieces from M’Talas Prime in Picard, not Section 31.