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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x09 – “300th Night”

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Rate the episode ...

  • 10 – Excellent!

    Votes: 16 16.2%
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    Votes: 19 19.2%
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  • 1 – Terrible.

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However, the enclosed Federation should be able to get around this ring, by flying up or flying down and around the barrier.
They show the minefield being 'above' the federation as well.

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Not that quickly...

Calculating the numbers using the average thickness of 2,500 light years, and the 14 hours it took the Athena to go from Bajor to Earth a confirmed distance of 60 light years, it would take the Athena roughly 24.3 days to travel from one end of the galactic plane to the other.
Stop trying to measure warp speed, it's pointless.

Warp speed in Star Trek is rarely consistent, it has almost always been the speed of whatever the plot needs. Going all the way back to TOS.

Never stopped the Federation from designating Vulcan by an exonym
When did they ever do that?
 
They show the minefield being 'above' the federation as well.

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According to that map, the mines do not actually encompass Betazed or Bajor.


Stop trying to measure warp speed, it's pointless.

Warp speed in Star Trek is rarely consistent, it has almost always been the speed of whatever the plot needs. Going all the way back to TOS.
If they didn't want us to measure it, they wouldn't have included known maps with distance calculations.
 
Oh for the love of... WHY Oh why would the Federation create a Synthetic Omega molecule? The one thing that has its own directive to Destroy any they come across.. WHY? There's no upside, no reason to blank warp travel for several light years.. just.. LUNACY!

Now its mines.. surrounding the federation even at a Conservative 200 light years (not the 1000 ly 24th century federation) sphere would take Minimum 6,000 mines spaced at again another conservative 5 light years between each ( only account is "Several" light years damage from Omega" )

So in.. Eh 6 months, they creathed 6000 mines, then placed them.. right.

Oh How I hate "Discovery" writers.. always have to have some Galaxy "Wide" problem to solve. such pathetic writing.

Other than that.. Episode was ok, And the Athena is a "Collage" campus, not a warship. Which would make you think it would have awesome shields.

And Oh they can fire at you at warp.. again.. wow.

Writing is soo Mid.

Anyone have a 32nd century Map?? No romulans, no klingons, what is the Venari claming? Its close to the federation. whos territory was it?
 
And Oh they can fire at you at warp.. again.. wow.
It's the 32nd century, they probably have torpedoes that can move at warp from a stand still by now.

Oh for the love of... WHY Oh why would the Federation create a Synthetic Omega molecule? The one thing that has its own directive to Destroy any they come across.. WHY? There's no upside, no reason to blank warp travel for several light years..
It makes for a great area denial weapon.
 
I gave it a 9.

But that was probably too kind. Space IS 3D. The heroes are kinda stupid. Why does the Athena suck so bad as a ship? Why didn't the ships just tractor beam the saucer?

But the rest of it was darn good. SAM's arc was good. Ale & Vance stepping up. Loved that part.
 
Oh for the love of... WHY Oh why would the Federation create a Synthetic Omega molecule? The one thing that has its own directive to Destroy any they come across.. WHY? There's no upside, no reason to blank warp travel for several light years.. just.. LUNACY!
They were probably trying to create synthetic Omega without the subspace destroying effects for use as a power source.
 
The mine thing and the graphic supposedly representing Federation space was really dumb.

Didn't Gina Yashere have a scheduling conflict for the second half of the season? Other than a voice cameo Lura's been absent for the last three episodes.
At first I thought that the graphic for Federation space was practical and thought that any errors in the map were due to a lack of preproduction time. However, rewatching it looks like the graphic used on set showed only zoomed in portion of the map and the animated graphic that showed the entire Federation surrounded by mines appears to have been completed in post production.

I figure they used automated ships to deploy the mines around the Federation. Since it seems like Starfleet ships can get anywhere in the galaxy in a matter of hours or days, it seems feasible that the Venari Ral loaded the Omega-47 into the ships/mines and it took few months to deploy.


Since there were five directors this season, each directing two consecutive episodes, I assume that they filmed in two episode blocks. It seemed to me like some the older main cast, apart from Holly Hunter had fewer scenes per episode, and mostly on standing sets and could conceivably film their scenes for a block of episodes in a few days. Fehr, Yashere, Picardo and Notaro could have flown to Toronto for a week or so at a time to film their scenes for each director/block.
 
A very-well paced and tense episode. The character beats were great, as to be expected. Kerrice Brooks' adjustments to her performance as SAM 2.0 were fucking astounding.

I'm less enthused about another large-scale, everything's gonna be fucked type of ending. Academy was excelling because it kept things small. I can only hope they don't fuck up the landing.

An Eight, mainly because I didn't like the ending twist and the setup for the finale.
 
If the Greek Gods were fictional stories from ancient Earth, finding two planets next-door to each other named Romulus and Remus, would be a statistical impossibility.
 
Oh for the love of... WHY Oh why would the Federation create a Synthetic Omega molecule? The one thing that has its own directive to Destroy any they come across.. WHY? There's no upside, no reason to blank warp travel for several light years.. just.. LUNACY!

Now its mines.. surrounding the federation even at a Conservative 200 light years (not the 1000 ly 24th century federation) sphere would take Minimum 6,000 mines spaced at again another conservative 5 light years between each ( only account is "Several" light years damage from Omega" )

So in.. Eh 6 months, they creathed 6000 mines, then placed them.. right.

Oh How I hate "Discovery" writers.. always have to have some Galaxy "Wide" problem to solve. such pathetic writing.

Other than that.. Episode was ok, And the Athena is a "Collage" campus, not a warship. Which would make you think it would have awesome shields.

And Oh they can fire at you at warp.. again.. wow.

Writing is soo Mid.

Anyone have a 32nd century Map?? No romulans, no klingons, what is the Venari claming? Its close to the federation. whos territory was it?
It's stated in Voyager that a single molecule of Omega can take out subspace across an entire sector. A sector is 20 lightyears in diameter. In theory you would only need one mine per sector and it's possible that Omega-47 is much more powerful and destructive. Programmable matter is shown to be able to create tech instantly. Add to this that the mines may be self-replicating and don't need to be very big and you could probably create thousands of these things quite ably. It's the 32nd century, outlandish shit like this should be pretty common place with the advances in technology.

This show can't win when it comes to tech. Either it's not advanced enough or now it's too advanced and crazy.

As for the Venari Ral, they are claiming space between the Ferengi Alliance and Cardassian Union which was largely unclaimed/non-aligned in the 24th century according to Star Trek: Star Charts. The exception being one of the planets under their control is Free Haven which was a Bajoran colony.
 
Tatiana Maslany is a great actress and definitely elevated all the scenes she was in. I stll don't care about Caleb anywhere near as much as I should, sadly. In his big scene where he was pretending to hate his friends he was out-acted by all three of them.
Agreed with the first sentence, hard disagree with the third. I'm actually really impressed with Sandro Rosta's acting chops (especially with this being, AFAIK, his first stint as an actor): that scene works for me because he conveys the layers of Caleb's emotions in those moments very effectively.

Caleb's heart is super-clearly not in it for hurling invective at his friends: he's doing it because he thinks it's the fastest way to get them to GTFO of Dodge, so to speak, after they tagged along without his asking. There's a clear through-line to his overall discomfort with fully buying into the "found family" ritual Jay'Den was staging (and that Darem confronts him about): he's reconnecting with his long-lost mother who has been in prison, and on the run, for many years at this point on Starfleet's account.

He's effective not only in selling that internal conflict, but in still building on certain prior conflicts to work up and deliver enough venom for the words to hurt in ways he will likely have to account for later. And despite that... he's still Caleb, his connection with his friends has still happened, and when SAM hurls herself at him in a hug, calls him out on the BS and sucks the wind out of his sails, you can see a reluctant relief in his face.

(Or at least, I could.)

That kind of thing is really complicated to deliver. I give all sorts of props to Sandro for the work he's doing: in lesser hands, Caleb would be thoroughly annoying, but he elevates a set of elements -- and delivers on complex inner motives playing out in the chassis of an otherwise pretty basic, results-oriented dude -- that could go badly wrong from a different actor.
 
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First third of the ep really felt like "Okay, back to our original story...here's a bunch of exposition for those who skipped the episodes betwixt."
 
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Athena swooshing in, hovering above them to save them was very much like the D swooshing in, hovering above Picard and Jack to save them.
which itself is a callback to nu-BSG when Adama takes Galactica into the atmosphere to save the crew/colonists.

Pretty good episode for a part 1. But I half expected the episode to end with Caleb’s mom shooting Ake.

I kinda liked the more naive SAM 1.0 but I do think the relationship with The Doctor is gonna be good. Being such an innocent made her stand out a bit more.

Braka’s plan is pretty good. Kinda knew the second Starfleet overreacted and started pulling their ships in something like that might be on deck. It is kinda convenient that with all the possibilities they went over…this wouldn’t have been one.

We know it’s gonna be ok. But I’m curious to see how they do it.

8/10
 
I am torn between wanting this galaxy-wide threat to stick around for a bit, or for it to be resolved instantly.

It's good tension within this particular series, and maybe these particular writers think it's cool... but every trek over the last few years has been a galaxy-wide threat, and at a macro-level... to many galaxy-wide threats are boring.

Every season of Disco, seasons 1+3 of Picard, season 3 of SNW, the last two seasons of Lower Decks, all had galaxy threats as an overarching plot.

I will say, a giant minefield is a little bit novel and I do like it. I could see a new DMZ being created somewhere as a background plot device like the Neutral Zone was in the TNG era.

I think the emerald chain and the breen would both be interested in buying this technology off Paul Giamatti.

And can Discovery pass through the minefield? I don't think they use subspace while in the mycelial network.
 
I am torn between wanting this galaxy-wide threat to stick around for a bit, or for it to be resolved instantly.

It's good tension within this particular series, and maybe these particular writers think it's cool... but every trek over the last few years has been a galaxy-wide threat, and at a macro-level... to many galaxy-wide threats are boring.

Every season of Disco, seasons 1+3 of Picard, season 3 of SNW, the last two seasons of Lower Decks, all had galaxy threats as an overarching plot.

I will say, a giant minefield is a little bit novel and I do like it. I could see a new DMZ being created somewhere as a background plot device like the Neutral Zone was in the TNG era.

I think the emerald chain and the breen would both be interested in buying this technology off Paul Giamatti.

And can Discovery pass through the minefield? I don't think they use subspace while in the mycelial network.
The mycelial network is a layer of subspace.
 
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