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Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x09 – “300th Night”

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It's funny that this is a Kristen Beyer episode because I think the DS9 episode is the most complete episode of the series and I feel the same way about this one, but I think the episodes leading up to it really do let it down. It's like missing so many episodes of development to get the characters where they are, which isn't necessarily any one's fault, but they don't feel like "family" in the way that the episode really needs them to be.
Alas, that's one of the problems of shorter seasons.
 
Question is how was he able reproduce so many of them, why did it take the feds so damn long to figure out what he stole, and how did he do all this without them noticing.
I actually laughed out loud when he said they just now figured out what he stole! And, duh duh duuuhhh, that wasn't the only top secret thing! Like you don't even know what else was stolen?!

Sounds like they only figured out what was stolen after the bad guy exploded one! Ooooh, so that's what they took!

Starfleet is really incompetent.
 
I actually laughed out loud when he said they just now figured out what he stole! And, duh duh duuuhhh, that wasn't the only top secret thing! Like you don't even know what else was stolen?!

Sounds like they only figured out what was stolen after the bad guy exploded one! Ooooh, so that's what they took!

Starfleet is really incompetent.
Nobody’s quite gotten reacclimated to having to constantly maintain themselves against equally powerful forces that pop up out of warp on a regular basis, as opposed to just local little raiders? Let alone the Venari Ral upping their game from pretty much being a Lord Humungous gang in space to declaring themselves, with some apparent accuracy, as the Venari Ral Empire. They should have seen it coming, yes, but they didn’t, probably because of their preconceptions about the VR?

EDIT: It’s interesting that unlike previous eras where most threat powers were mainly “monospecies”, in SFA’s time the major non-Breen enemy powers — the Emerald Chain, the Venari Ral — share pretty much the same species as the Federation, including humans. Both personally and politically (and with exceptions), everybody tends to be hybridized now. This seems a fairly reasonable outcome of the previous thousand years — both centuries of increasing crossover within and around the Federation, and a century and a half of isolated mixed populations after the Burn.
 
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This is a classic Star Trek issue regarding use of tech as plot device. Every tech is just a one-off thing which has somehow never been used before - and once dealt with, never has to be used again.

After all, if it's so trivially easy to come up with Omega mines which wall off a huge portion of the galaxy, how come it wasn't done millions of years ago?
 
Nobody’s quite gotten reacclimated to having to constantly maintain themselves against equally powerful forces that pop up out of warp on a regular basis, as opposed to just local little raiders? Let alone the Venari Ral upping their game from pretty much being a Lord Humungous gang in space to declaring themselves, with some apparent accuracy, as the Venari Ral Empire. They should have seen it coming, yes, but they didn’t, probably because of their preconceptions about the VR?

EDIT: It’s interesting that unlike previous eras where most threat powers were mainly “monospecies”, in SFA’s time the major non-Breen enemy powers — the Emerald Chain, the Venari Ral — share pretty much the same species as the Federation, including humans. Both personally and politically (and with exceptions), everybody tends to be hybridized now. This seems a fairly reasonable outcome of the previous thousand years — both centuries of increasing crossover within and around the Federation, and a century and a half of isolated mixed populations after the Burn.
My beef lies in the fact that it took so long for Starfleet to figure out what was stolen. More of a simple accounting issue!
 
Interesting that Kirsten Beyer wrote this episode in which Omega-47 is identified as "a synthetic variant of pure Omega". That line sounds lifted from Beyer's previous Star Trek: Voyager novels, which depict all Omega molecules as imperfect recreations of the Omega force from the Big Bang. The dialogue doesn't really make sense in isolation with only the Star Trek: Voyager television dialogue.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. I feel like the "synthetic variant" is to preemptively shut down any potential contradictions with "The Omega Directive," foremost probably being that it was all but impossible to keep one omega molecule stable, never mind enough to fill dozens or hundreds of mines.

He was a hologram on Athena in this episode, so he was probably already on Betazed with the War College cadets or on another ship.

I'd been thinking in the early days of the show that it'd be interesting if the War College had their own training ship (call it the U.S.S. Artemis), but I can see how that would've been logistically deadly from a production perspective (less chance for the War College and Academy kids to meet incidentally, though that hasn't been happening much in the second half of the season anyway, and it also might've been a pain redressing the sets back and forth).

we don't know that for sure. We saw very little of the federation and starfleet during the epilogue.
Yep! Nothing about the epilogue, or even Calypso, requires that our characters aren't sealed inside a 32nd-century-Federation-sized bubble.

(The Federation will not be sealed inside a bubble at this time. I'm explaining because you look nervous.)
 
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I do have to wonder how they screwed up that map so badly that it left out Bajor.

Especially since the idea was supposed to be that it was the "entire" Federation.
 
I don't think that's necessarily the case. I feel like the "synthetic variant" is to preemptively shut down any potential contradictions with "The Omega Directive," foremost probably being that it was all but impossible to keep one omega molecule stable, never mind enough to fill dozens or hundreds of mines.

Do you think that more should be done about Iran's nuclear program?

(Pretend that I'm saying this a week ago.)
 
I do have to wonder how they screwed up that map so badly that it left out Bajor.

Especially since the idea was supposed to be that it was the "entire" Federation.
It was the heart of the Federation. There are other Federation affiliated systems and starbases that are outside this area.

I can see the Athena having trouble getting back, as it is operating on limited resources. However, the enclosed Federation should be able to get around this ring, by flying up or flying down and around the barrier. The greatest danger would be cloaked Venari Ral ships within the enclosed area that are equipped with these mines. The mine that exploded was far from the Venari Ral territories, the one shown on the map and those not shown on the map (the Taygeta system, and, by extension, Sector 119 are over 400 light years from the heart of the Federation) are off the map. Sector 953 was in the Beta Quadrant.
 
I had a quick scoot through the season and it seems that there is a pattern of limiting the number of cast each episode by losing 2 or 3 in rotation. I think that:

- they topped their budget, expected more budget to be forthcoming, and didn't get it or
- they were in budget, but other costs took them over
- they were in budget, but casting Giamatti took that over (Giamatti across 3 episodes is about $2mil and guest cast are $20K per episode, younger main are $30-35k, and Tigs and Odeds are $100k = 70 less guest cast slots)
- they were in budget, but rewrote ad hoc to include a more expensive player such as Oded for one episode more, which knocked 3-4 guest cast out

I know little of these dark arts but I assume each guest or recurring brings knock-on hair, costume, make-up, craft services etc costs.

I know that's not new, but was not as noticeable in pre-Kurtzman Trek. Other than the absence of Leeta and Rom from WYLB.
It can also just be explained by Gina Yashere having a pretty active career outside of Trek. Ocam not being in this episode is most likely because he returned to Betazed to represent the youth delegation given that Tarima is still recovering. But it would have been nice for a line or two explaining it.

My money is on Lura coming to the rescue with Discovery in the finale. Lura will be Burnham's acting first officer as I'm guessing if Discovery does show up, they may not have been able to get Callum Keith Rennie for a Rayner guest spot.
 
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