Starfleet Academy Starship Thread

[Set Harth]

By contrast, the Discovery epilogue takes place in the 3220-3230's, 30+ years after the events of DIS S5. Book and Burhnam are in their 60-70's while their son Leto is in his 30's.

Leto? The God Emperor?

 

[Galaxy]

Leto? The God Emperor?

No, that is the Koala.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm fast-forwarding through the episode but haven't found graphics identifying the Miyazaki's class yet.

it's in your 5th image, the one with the Doctor. it says Ship Class: Constitution

 

[Eudoxia]

Does that say Warp Maximum of 9.79? I mean... I guess if we continue with the idea that the Singularity drive is slower than Matter/Antimatter it kinda makes sense? It's been ~750 years since Enterprise-G which could reach Warp 9.99, and nearly 800 since Voyager which was Warp 9.75 or Warp 9.975 (which IMO the 9.75 retcon makes way more sense).

IIRC D'Deridex peaked at 9.2 in Beta Canon, but there was always just a general assumption the Romulans were overall behind (which Sternbach more or less confirmed in the Eaglemoss manual on the Science Ship).

 

[Tuskin38]

the warp scale could of been adjusted again

 

[Mage]

I'm convinced the Miyazaki was meant to be one of the 32nd century Constitutions but they decided to go with a new model and forgot to change the background detail in the scene where Kelrec brings up the display with the ship stats.

We know the current Constitution Class was in service when the Burn hit so it makes zero sense for there to be two classes with the same name in the same time period.

However, the constitution class has only been conjectured to be such by Owosekun. The class has never directly been referred to by name. Maybe, they've decided to go with Kirk Class behind the scenes

So..... Constellation class all over again?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

So..... Constellation class all over again?

Yeah that's what came to mind for me as well.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I'm convinced the Miyazaki was meant to be one of the 32nd century Constitutions but they decided to go with a new model and forgot to change the background detail in the scene where Kelrec brings up the display with the ship stats.

We know the current Constitution Class was in service when the Burn hit so it makes zero sense for there to be two classes with the same name in the same time period.

However, the constitution class has only been conjectured to be such by Owosekun. The class has never directly been referred to by name. Maybe, they've decided to go with Kirk Class behind the scenes

Honestly, I am still disappointed CBS believes the names Constitution class and Intrepid class are valid for different classes in the 32nd century. In what way do they qualify as those outdated names? They have disconnected warp nacelles completely different warp nacelles from centuries ago. They have modern phasers presumably very different from 23rd century phaser banks. One assumes the entire interior is by standard equipped to expect holographic crewmembers, portable transporters, and tricom badges. No viewscreen. And the standard computer is a differentiated successor to LCARS. And finally, the new Constitution is a monstrous 1400 metres long!

And while not the focus of this thread, I will again put forth my musing that Terry Matalas could have solved many of his problems by using the name Kirk class in Star Trek: Picard, not Constitution III class for a Shangri-La silhouette at Ambassador size.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

If no one has any objections I'm just going to ignore the model on screen and pretend it is actually a contemporary constitution class since this class was shown operating pre Burn it makes the most sense.

A constitution was shown testing sb-19 as well so perhaps this class was used for a lot of alternative drive tests.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Honestly, I am still disappointed CBS believes the names Constitution class and Intrepid class are valid for different classes in the 32nd century. In what way do they qualify as those outdated names? They have disconnected warp nacelles completely different warp nacelles from centuries ago. They have modern phasers presumably very different from 23rd century phaser banks. One assumes the entire interior is by standard equipped to expect holographic crewmembers, portable transporters, and tricom badges. No viewscreen. And the standard computer is a differentiated successor to LCARS. And finally, the new Constitution is a monstrous 1400 metres long!

And while not the focus of this thread, I will again put forth my musing that Terry Matalas could have solved many of his problems by using the name Kirk class in Star Trek: Picard, not Constitution III class for a Shangri-La silhouette at Ambassador size.

Starfleet has been around for 1000 years at this point. You're going to run out of cool names for ship classes eventually. I'm fine with the 32nd century classes being named in honour of previous prestige classes of starship

 

[Hellbird]

I'm fast-forwarding through the episode but haven't found graphics identifying the Miyazaki's class yet.
Whatever the class name, it is a Credence-class variant.

Its a very nondescript looking ship. You could put it in SNW and it would blend right in.

 

[Dukhat]

Starfleet has been around for 1000 years at this point. You're going to run out of cool names for ship classes eventually. I'm fine with the 32nd century classes being named in honour of previous prestige classes of starship

But it’s not really about ‘what Starfleet would do.’ Starfleet doesn’t exist. ‘What they’d do’ is based entirely upon the scriptwriters and producers who come up with these names. I personally think they’re being lazy and unoriginal at best, and completely apathetic at worst. I mean, how hard is it to come up with new ship class names? Especially ones that actually make sense in the context of the CGI ship model they’re using, because the Miyazaki is definitely not a Constitution class ship.

 

[tenmei]

But it’s not really about ‘what Starfleet would do.’ Starfleet doesn’t exist. ‘What they’d do’ is based entirely upon the scriptwriters and producers who come up with these names. I personally think they’re being lazy and unoriginal at best, and completely apathetic at worst. I mean, how hard is it to come up with new ship class names? Especially ones that actually make sense in the context of the CGI ship model they’re using, because the Miyazaki is definitely not a Constitution class ship.

Apparently the Royal Navy has had 39 ships called HMS Swallow, eight of those in the last 200 years, so I wouldnt say Starfleet reusing Constitution Class 5 times in 1000 years unrealistic.

 

[Tuskin38]

At least the Intrepid resembles an Intrepid.

The actual 32nd Century Connie looks more like a NX-Class in shape.

 

[Dukhat]

Apparently the Royal Navy has had 39 ships called HMS Swallow, eight of those in the last 200 years, so I wouldnt say Starfleet reusing Constitution Class 5 times in 1000 years unrealistic.

That is completely missing my point.

 

[tenmei]

That is completely missing my point.

Its not.

I personally think they’re being lazy and unoriginal at best, and completely apathetic at worst. I mean, how hard is it to come up with new ship class names?

I'm pointing out there is literal precedent for real world navys using the same names multiple times unless you're saying theyre being lazy, unoriginal and apathetic for reusing the same name 39 times in 1000 years.

 

[Dukhat]

Its not.



I'm pointing out there is literal precedent for real world navys using the same names multiple times unless you're saying theyre being lazy, unoriginal and apathetic for reusing the same name 39 times in 1000 years.

And I'm not talking about real world precedent. Because they're not thinking of real world precedent. I'm saying that I judge that they just don't care about coming up with original names.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

But it’s not really about ‘what Starfleet would do.’ Starfleet doesn’t exist. ‘What they’d do’ is based entirely upon the scriptwriters and producers who come up with these names. I personally think they’re being lazy and unoriginal at best, and completely apathetic at worst. I mean, how hard is it to come up with new ship class names? Especially ones that actually make sense in the context of the CGI ship model they’re using, because the Miyazaki is definitely not a Constitution class ship.

Constitution, Intrepid, Eisenberg, Merian, Mars, Angelou, Friendship, Courage, Saturn. Those are the majority of the ship classes in the 32nd century. Out of the 9 I listed, two are a re-use. I didn't include the Dresselhaus, Credence or Antares because we don't have class names for those. The notion that the writers are lazy and apathetic because they chose to re-use two class names from legacy trek, isn't fair or accurate.

I think it just needs to be boiled down to the ship model being changed last minute and the VFX team maybe thinking the class name would not be on screen or legible enough.

 

[Tuskin38]

Technically Merian is also a reference, but to a non-canon ship.

 

[Dukhat]

Constitution, Intrepid, Eisenberg, Merian, Mars, Angelou, Friendship, Courage, Saturn. Those are the majority of the ship classes in the 32nd century. Out of the 9 I listed, two are a re-use. I didn't include the Dresselhaus, Credence or Antares because we don't have class names for those. The notion that the writers are lazy and apathetic because they chose to re-use two class names from legacy trek, isn't fair or accurate.

I'm also referring to ships in PIC, where they use names like Constitution III and Excelsior II. And all of the STO ships already had class names, so they didn't have to come up with them themselves. I find things like that a bit annoying. But yes, I will concede that they weren't completely unoriginal.

I think it just needs to be boiled down to the ship model being changed last minute and the VFX team maybe thinking the class name would not be on screen or legible enough.

Yes, that's a definite possibility in this case. Still doesn't quite explain the use of TOS uniforms in the comic, but that's another story.