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Early Criticism: What’s Unfounded and What Isn’t

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Legitimate criticism: The Jem'Hadar, despite appearing male, were actually sexless and incapable of natural reproduction. Also, they didn't bleed white.
While legitimate the setting of 800 years later offers a very strong counter to it.
Unfounded criticism: Calling Lura Thok a 'diversity hire,' and 'obese.'
1000% agreed.
 
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Legitimate criticism: The Jem'Hadar, despite appearing male, were actually sexless and incapable of natural reproduction. Also, they didn't bleed white.

Unfounded criticism: Calling Lura Thok a 'diversity hire,' and 'obese.'
We don't know enough about the Jem'Hadar to conclude this. The blood is fair but the Klingons don't bleed consistently either.
 
We don't know enough about the Jem'Hadar to conclude this. The blood is fair but the Klingons don't bleed consistently either.
Agreed. They were designed as sexless, but being designed means they can be redesigned.

And I just find it amusing that a color change to the floating blobs of Klingon blood, done only to avoiding an "R" rating, still creates canon confusion among fans 30 years later. To be honest, once I found out the reason for it, I just head canoned it as being red blood all along, just as my head canon about Klingon head ridges at that time was "the Klingons looked that way all along".
 
You seem to be making our point for us? You aren't forming your own opinion, you are taking onboard Siskel and Ebert giving a movie two thumbs up or not. You can't say the movie is bad - you can say S&E said it was bad and thats why you're not watching it.
yeah I grant you that, because I trust the source. I don't have to watch if I trust the source, just like I see a lot of comments here "You haven;t even watched it..." no need if you trust the source saying it';s not any good. Now there may be times where there is inconsistency, but that depends on the mechanics of the critique.
 
what's her BMI? :lol:

Yashere defended herself against comments about her weight from other quarters quite well -

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Legitimate criticism: The Jem'Hadar, despite appearing male, were actually sexless and incapable of natural reproduction. Also, they didn't bleed white.
Actually, I disagree on that one. They were mentioned on DS9 as males and I don't recall there ever being a mention of them being incapable of reproduction. I always assumed that the character on this show was the result of a male Jemhadar and Klingon female. If there were Jem Hadar that broke from the white it would certainly change them just like any normal person changes after breaking a long drug addiction.

Far as her size goes, she's a cross breed of two warrior races that would tear any human apart. She's actually my favorite of the adult characters because her personality is more in line with what I expect from an officer at an elite military academy.
 
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Ah, yes, an eye for an eye. Class act on both sides.

Elon, shut up.

Gina, don't wrestle with pigs. You'll just muddy yourself.
 
Who gives a fuck? Let‘s not go there yet again, talking about how “fat” or not the characters/performers supposedly are on the show.


Let that be Gina Yashere‘s and/or instagram‘s worry.
yes agreed, sometimes context is lost, or misinterpreted in forums
 
So, just straight-up, is it worth looking into? I was mixed on the trailers and talk I've seen... Isn't "good" but I'm sure a lot of that is a loud extreme.

I understand this past episode was connected to DS9 in some manner? Is that worth checking out without seeing previous episodes? Are the previous episodes worth watching to catch up?

I guess, overall. Is it "good."
 
I guess, overall. Is it "good."
For the first three episodes, it's a sitcom about a bunch of young adults in a university (nominally Starfleet Academy, but basically functions as a university), which is pretty likeable. Episode four is a very standard Star Trek story that's not really distinguishable from a SNW script. Episode five is the usual nostalgia-y stuff common to this era, with a comedy B-plot that kind of collapses.

It's hard to know what to make of it as a whole so far because it keeps shifting gears, but give it a try. I wouldn't call it "good" yet but I'd say it's promising if the tone evens out and it figures out exactly what it wants to be. Characters are very enjoyable even when the plot isn't quite there, the show's pretty much riding on its characters for now. It feels a lot less like an exploitative misuse of the franchise than DSC/PIC, IMO.
 
So, just straight-up, is it worth looking into? I was mixed on the trailers and talk I've seen... Isn't "good" but I'm sure a lot of that is a loud extreme.

I understand this past episode was connected to DS9 in some manner? Is that worth checking out without seeing previous episodes? Are the previous episodes worth watching to catch up?

I guess, overall. Is it "good."
If you are a fan of any modern Trek, I would recommend the whole series so far. For me, it's second only to Prodigy.

Episode 5 largely stands alone, the main story is not directly connected to any ongoing storyline. It was done with the approval of Avery Brooks himself.

EDIT When I said Episode 3, I meant Episode 5 all along!
 
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So, just straight-up, is it worth looking into? I was mixed on the trailers and talk I've seen... Isn't "good" but I'm sure a lot of that is a loud extreme.
It's a school/university episodic comedy drama about students falling in love, doing pranks, playing sports, learning life lessons etc. with fairly reasonable stakes, a decent amount of Star Trek mythology, and overly modern dialogue. It leans more towards being cringe because the Jem'Hadar said 'dumpster fire' than because everyone's sharing their trauma like... traumatised robots, like in Disco sometimes.

If the idea of a sci-fi prank war between rival colleges or a debate competition on the subject of Klingon refugees interests you, then you're not going to find a better (or another) TV show doing that kind of thing. If you want action adventure or intelligent science fiction, that's not really its department.

I personally think the cast is all likeable, even if their characters sometimes aren't. Every episode focuses on a different student and explains something that helps you understand their behaviour, so they're all important in that way even if there's only minor serialised elements. The DS9 episode is worth watching if you want to see Sisko's story get a lot of respect and have an influence on someone else, but seeing it isn't necessarily going to make you feel differently about DS9's ending.

Is SFA good? It definitely could've been much worse.
 
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Thanks, sounds like I'll give it a full try (I think I only got 20 minutes or so into the first episode before losing interest.

(May not have been in the mood for it when I first tried. Sounds like it's kind of in the ballpark of what I.... Kind of wanted to see?
 
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