Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x05 – “Series Acclimation Mil”

[The Wormhole]

I wonder if not mentioning Sisko's child with Kasidy was just their way of avoiding the whole "deadbeat dad" thing many, including Avery Brooks, have said about Sisko basically abandoning his pregnant wife.

 

[Finn]

Or maybe they decided to cool it with the memberries?

 

[NX_01]

Jake isn't making anything up. He's speaking from his lived experience. The way Sisko raised Jake would have without a doubt impacted how he helped raise Kasidy's child. And while Kasidy disliked that Ben was the emissary, she also understood how important his role was. It's no different to Ben being a Starfleet Captain. Kasidy hated that too but again understood the importance of being one.

Thats what I meant, Jake found his peace but this doesn't change anything, It doesn't make broken promises unhappen. Strange decision to go with this after 30 years.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

It is a bit strange no one at any point mentioned Sisko's child with Kassidy. It was probably just an oversight, the alternative is a pretty dark story not that we should shy away from dark stories of course

I think the existence of Ben and Kasidy's baby was hidden to avoid the child becoming an object of religious devotion or a target for any surviving members of the Pah-Wraith cult. Kasidy was never comfortable with Ben's role as Emissary and the position of 'Wife of the Emissary' that she fell into when she married him. It would stand to reason that the baby was kept secret so as to have as normal a life as possible.

 

[The Wormhole]

Or maybe they decided to cool it with the memberries?

Maybe, though it does seem odd they didn't even have the child listed on the family tree. Then again, they didn't have Sisko's siblings listed there either.

 

[tomalak301]

yes. aware. not the same.

What DS9 content do you want that wasn't portrayed in Lower Decks? One thing I was thinking about watching the episode is does the Wormhole still exist. I wouldn't mind a trip through with 2025-2026 effects. Or was it destroyed long ago or during the Burn. Do Wormholes have a shelf life, especially artificially created ones?

 

[Mudd]

So...

SAM is Mork. From Ork.

With a side of Isaac. From Orville.

Dzolo sighting!

 

[Mudd]

Or maybe they decided to cool it with the memberries?

If so, it must have happened after the end credits.

 

[tomalak301]

With a side of Isaac. From Orville.

I've been seeing a lot of comparisons between the Makers and the Kaylons and I do hope they don't make the Makers out to be the main villains this season. I hope they are genuine in learning about organics rather than it being all a trick and putting SAM in an "Odo" like position.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Thats what I meant, Jake found his peace but this doesn't change anything, It doesn't make broken promises unhappen. Strange decision to go with this after 30 years

Part of this episodes message was how little choice we sometimes have and how we can choose to work within that scope. It's mentioned multiple times that the Prophets didn't give Sisko much choice and this would have probably extended to when and how he could return to his family.

I would also argue that being exposed to non-linear time may have given Sisko some insight into how his return may affect the greater sum or in particular the Bajoran people. Maybe he saw a future where is return saw Bajor descend into a civil war or lead to the return of the pah wraiths. We don't know. I think us not knowing is part of the point and the mystery and speaks to the human condition.

 

[Discovery McDiscoveryFace]

So...

SAM is Mork. From Ork.

With a side of Isaac. From Orville.

Dzolo sighting!

Have a look at Mork's uniform. and compare it to Nahla's......

 

[CT_Phipps]

Part of this episodes message was how little choice we sometimes have and how we can choose to work within that scope. It's mentioned multiple times that the Prophets didn't give Sisko much choice and this would have probably extended to when and how he could return to his family.

I would also argue that being exposed to non-linear time may have given Sisko some insight into how his return may affect the greater sum or in particular the Bajoran people. Maybe he saw a future where is return saw Bajor descend into a civil war or lead to the return of the pah wraiths. We don't know. I think us not knowing is part of the point and the mystery and speaks to the human condition.

I thought his point was the opposite: that Sisko did things his way.

 

[Bold Helmsman]

This is where I point out, once again, that even the sainted Jean-Luc Picard got stabbed in a bar fight when he was a cocky young cadet.

That Starfleet cadets sometimes behave rashly and immaturely is old news at this point . . . .

I harp on this because I still remember some folks clutching their pearls over the bar fight in the 2009 reboot movie. "But Starfleet cadets would never behave like that! They're best of the best of evolved humans in a utopian future!"

Never mind "Shore Leave," "Tapestry," or even "The Trouble with Tribbles."

It's extra funny to me because most of the cadets we've seen on screen are basically saints themselves compared to the shenanigans Kirk and Picard got up to.

 

[Dar70]

Yikes. I decided to watch this because of DS9 connection. Sorry. But I thought it was awful. Sadly it seems like a lot of people thought it was but then gave it high marks because of the DS9 stuff like Cirroc Lofton etc ....But no amount of Fan wank was gonna save this episode for me. It was just too silly for my tastes. About the only part I like was the Sisko Museum with Jake. But that was not enough to prevent me from giving it a 1. Good day.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Beautifully stated. You nailed what I was feeling. I thought that intent came through clearly in the writing. Ben’s fate, and Jake’s acceptance of his father’s sacrifice, were handled in a poignant, grounded way that contrasts sharply with the lifetime of unresolved trauma Jake carries in “The Visitor.” And honestly, the fact that the resolution had Brooks’s blessing is more than enough for me. I really appreciated getting to see a Jake who’s genuinely at peace with the legacy his father left behind.

For anyone looking for a more direct return, Brooks’s final lines about understanding divine law through love read to me like fatherly guidance aimed at a son coming to grips with the nature of his own extraordinary existence. Anslem wasn’t presented as an ordinary book, after all...

Great take yourself! I agree with all this 100%

 

[TRON JA307020]

Five minutes in. Watch the rest on the weekend. Vomit glitter? That was really dumb.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I thought his point was the opposite: that Sisko did things his way.

I literally inferred that in my statement about working within the scope of limitations. The fact is that Sisko was conceived to serve the prophets, within that he did have some choice and did do things his way. But he also had no choice about not being the Emissary. The Prophets releasing Akorem Laan was a whole lesson on why Ben had to stick to the plan.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I never viewed it as a promise, it was always a hope in my eyes and not one Sisko ever had the power to enforce. While this reinforced the way I had always viewed DS9's finale I do feel bad for people who really wanted some kind of twist in the tale.

 

[CT_Phipps]

I literally inferred that in my statement about working within the scope of limitations. The fact is that Sisko was conceived to serve the prophets, within that he did have some choice and did do things his way. But he also had no choice about not being the Emissary. The Prophets releasing Akorem Laan was a whole lesson on why Ben had to stick to the plan.

Sisko is also the guy who changed the prophet's plan for Akorem.

 

[fireproof78]

It's extra funny to me because most of the cadets we've seen on screen are basically saints themselves compared to the shenanigans Kirk and Picard got up to.

It's different to hear about it than to see it. Any Starfleet officers now are to be perfect, especially at the cadet level.