So I guess we now know that Morn is the legacy character referred to by Noga Landau?From Picardo on fb:
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It was nonsensical based upon context moving from TOS to TMP. That it eventually got an explanation doesn't make it feel less clunky moving between those two things.
Been a Trek fan for most of my 41 years. I started with, and continue to adore, The Original Series. I watched most of TNG, DS9, and Voyager throughout their original runs, only missing a little of TNG at the very beginning. I loved Enterprise from the moment I saw it and even had Faith of the Heart as one of my wedding songs.
I build Trek models as a hobby, devoting countless hours to them. I collect various Trek toys, figures, ships, and artwork. I have read the tech manuals, behind the scenes books, art books, and dozens of novels and comics. Hell, the colours for my wedding were gold, blue, and red. I think I can safely qualify as one of your "actual fans."
With all that said, I can say that I genuinely enjoy a great deal of the newer additions to the franchise. Is all of it spectacularly great? No. But I can find something to enjoy in just about everything from the modern era. Some shows, like Strange New Worlds, I genuinely love.
I think the real issue is not a lack of real fans, but that television itself has fundamentally changed. Long 22 episode seasons are now the exception rather than the rule across nearly all genres and franchises. That is not unique to Star Trek, and it is not proof that the franchise is failing or being disrespected. Trek has always evolved with its era, sometimes clumsily and sometimes brilliantly, but it is still here, still experimenting, still finding new audiences, and still giving longtime fans like me plenty to enjoy.
I understand that but seems to me money isn't the issue, a broader storyline to rope in more viewers is.
Not in the sense perhaps you're asking, but push the budget down and make broader appealing storylines.
And that's good! If people are enjoying it, that's for the best.
What I am pointing out is the amount of people that ARE enjoying it, I'd want it to be lots of them, but sadly doesn't seem to be the case.
I am glad you're enjoying it and there should be more of you and less of me, honestly.
First time since PIC S2 I found myself scrolling on my phone watching E3 of SFA and so was my wife and younger daughter.
Funny enough my daughters' age range are like the 'target' for this show.
Which makes it clunky, not nonsensical. Even without an in-story explanation — which we eventually got — the simple Doylist “we changed the design because we can afford to do better now” made real-world sense even at the time.
I liked John M. Ford & FASA coming up with their version of an explanation (which remains my favorite imagined version of the Klingons), but it wasn’t necessary.
(Heck, I liked Vonda McIntyre’s rather different version, where their ridges were birdlike crests that raised and lowered, very unlike anything seen on either TV or movie Klingons. That was a lot more “nonsensical” to me, in that it plainly clashed even with the films she was novelizing — but within her work it made internal sense, just as the TMP ones did within TMP.)
Now the switch from the TV Klingons being treacherous grinning jerks who, as Gerrold put it, “fart in public airlocks”, to honor-obsessives? That seems nonsensical, since it’s not a surface-production-values change, it’s a complete shift in “personality”, having nothing to do with what the producers could afford. (I can buy that eventually the franchise might choose to retroactively explain that too, though I don’t expect it. I’ve headcanoned one, and I gather various novels have posited others.)
Real world sense is fine. In universe sense needed some tune up.
Truly these two things drive me crazy.
Revenue is the question and they are probably working on different ideas to do so to cast a broad net while maximizing revenue.
Police procedural Star Trek incoming.
DS9 actually did a pretty big course correction on that that rarely gets acknowledged.
Klingons are actually not honor obsessed.
WORF is honor obsessed.
Most other Klingons are treacherous scheming [censored]: Gowron, Duras, the Sisters, and even Kor to an extent. Martok is an exception but even he doesn't really dwell on honor the same way Worf does.
Fair, but Worf is that way because he leaned into traditional Klingon values, in the same way that Spock ultimately leaned into traditional Vulcan ones. Both ended up as examples of being “more X than the Xs”, but they wouldn’t be able to do that if at least the pretense of those values wasn’t a big chunk of how those cultures defined themselves.
Exactly. The appeal to the "glory days" of the Berman era (as if those were perfect) misses huge cultural contexts. The shift towards niche markets, not just for science fiction but also the streaming world. Each section is divided away to sock away as much money as possible. Everyone is talking to industry insiders that are talking up increasing VFX budget, striving for bigger names, and reducing overhead costs as much as possible.
Fans are similarly divided, even more so than what Weird Al sang about. And instead of liking Star Trek and being glad that others like Star Trek and share the love, it's divisive all over the place because people like Kelvin Trek, or Pike or Lower Decks, or Discovery. Heaven forbid.
I admit, I have to imagine Klingons love Game of Thrones and have done their own version.
pretty sure it's called the Klingon High Council
Citation needed.
Again.
BTW, just checking in, how’s it going with proof that safety standards weren’t adhered to on the set of Discovery?
Any progress? Been waiting a month now and… well, it’s starting to seem like you just made that up.
Or that you just make things up generally.
But that can’t be right. I’m sure that despite repeatedly making ridiculous claims that you can’t support… you must be an honest guy… right?
Actually the current way of doing things is harder on actors because a single 6-12 episode season every 2 years doesn't pay the bills.
can you imagine episodes like a musical and a murder mystery and a time loop and even lol muppets
Worf takes Klingon honor culture both seriously and literally, whereas most Klingons take it seriously, but not literally.
In some ways, Worf is autistic coded. He doesn't pick up on the social cues that publicly stated morality can differ from common practice.
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