I think it's become a problem with a lot of legacy shows. Shows that we're unintentionally camp because they were of their time now have actors coming in and doing it on purpose. I personally find it uninteresting and irritating.
Spoilers Star Trek: Starfleet Academy 1x01 – “Kids These Days”
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Some slang will never die out, no matter the era?
My only issue with Holly Hunter as Captain was she was WAY too slow to call Red Alert.
By the time she stated it, the bogeys were basically about to collide with the hull.
But we do have to cut her some slack, she hasn't been in StarFleet for 50 years, and this is a new ship, new crew, and she wasn't expecting to get into conflict on a simple run to Earth.
Also, the Captain gives the order to give the anomaly a "Wide Berth", and the helms-men basically parks the vessel < 1 km away from the Anomaly Signature where the trap popped out?
What about "Wide Berth" makes the helms-men think parking the ship that close was a good idea?
You should be VERY far away from said Anomaly, probably send in probes if you have to.
Shouldn't StarFleet Sensors be able to detect things at super long range?
What good is all your fancy sensors if you have to park your vessel right next to said dangerous anomaly?
When I think of "Wide Berth", you should probably park your vessel 1 AU away from said Anomaly, send in probes if your ship sensors aren't good enough at that distance.
That would've given you more time to deal with the Bogeys that popped out of the trap and shoot them down before they covered your vessel with programmable matter.
No clue what happened to Dal, other than he got a shout-out along with the rest of the ProtoStar crew.
On the List of StarFleet Heroes memorial wall, Zero made it to Cmdr rank.
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Yeah, that part i heard.
But the doctor reacted to the mention of her name with sadness....so thst suggests something bad happened.
Obviously theyre all long dead from rhat era, but he didnt react that way to the mention of Voyager.
What was the mention of Dal? I missed that. I heard Gwyn mentioned.
The Cheron
Shouldn't they be extinct!?
Or did Bele & Lokai do the pregnant gay man thing after all?
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Looking forward to watch it later today
Almost immediately before the Gwyn mention, something like, "Dal and Captain Gwyn ..."
It's not top tier Trek for me, but for streaming Trek it's above average. Oddly affecting given how much I loathe the "90210 in the 32nd Century" label that's been following it since the first cast photos and trailers and posters dropped and generally eschew most shows about kids and schools.
I'm sticking around. Not too bad, and there's promise.
I'm sticking around. Not too bad, and there's promise.
The first episode was fine. It was a lot better than the promos suggested. Of the live-action pilot episodes for Kurtzman era Trek, I felt this was the strongest. It introduced the large ensemble quite well without slowing the pacing, and we learned a bit about many of them. The FX for New Trek have never been a problem. I even liked the cadet uniforms.
With the other New Trek live-action pilots, Discovery's was rushed and too busy trying to grab the audience by the throat, Picard's was too concerned about letting the audience know this wasn't TNG 2.0, and Strange New World's was more run-of-the mill, adequate, but not that memorable.
I don't love Academy, but I do like how it's trying to take "The Burn" (which I thought came off badly in Discovery) and make hay of it, like how Picard sought to do likewise with the destruction of Romulus.
With the other New Trek live-action pilots, Discovery's was rushed and too busy trying to grab the audience by the throat, Picard's was too concerned about letting the audience know this wasn't TNG 2.0, and Strange New World's was more run-of-the mill, adequate, but not that memorable.
I don't love Academy, but I do like how it's trying to take "The Burn" (which I thought came off badly in Discovery) and make hay of it, like how Picard sought to do likewise with the destruction of Romulus.
Lounging in the captain's chair with a real book. 
Bella Sheperd's character is the one I think most impressed me as a character (as opposed to performance, which is Gina Yashere). It was how she mobilises and leads during the crisis. Initially I thought far fetched, but then she points out she was raised on starships and stations.
I think the character that I feel had the most connection potential is Jay-Den. The trouble is that they have digitally lowered his voice, and plasticised his face and it makes it hard to see him as anything other than an avatar. I'm sure the actor is great, and I know that the character is meant to be queer, but if you want a character to have a deep voice, then hire an actor with that. Or just don't give him a deep voice. That'll be fine too.
Re: the Burn - yes I agree this series has done more in two episodes to give a flavour of the effects than the way Discovery portrayed it - in a disjointed way. I like the way this has been done to enable a viewer to understand the Burn without needing to watch Disco.
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'd say I was pleasantly surprised here, but the review buzz was actually pretty good over the last week, so this episode largely met my expectations. It's a competent pilot that does everything that pilots are meant to do. We're given a POV character for at least the outing (Caleb) who goes on a complete character arc. We're introduced to most of the other mains, at least in passing. And the show seems very confident in what it's trying to do, balancing traditional Star Trek with a more "YA" vibe.
I think the extended prologue showing Caleb's childhood backstory was a bit self indulgent and unnecessary. Show not tell is very important of course, but we didn't need to see Tom Paris's fall from grace for Caretaker for the pilot of that show to be compelling. I will say though that Caleb's backstory was a lot more compelling than the cut-down bits from the trailers made it seem, showing both the Federation and Ake as somewhat flawed in a way that makes the conflict much more compelling.
Ake, on the other hand, just isn't working yet for me. While I understand why they wanted the cameo with Vance pulling her out of retirement, the idea that someone who was a mid-level Captain fifteen years prior, who had been running a preschool, could just be plopped in as Chancellor of the academy stretched credulity a lot more than her pulling some strings to get Caleb to join. Particularly because the show makes it clear that all of it happened in less than 24 hours! Isn't there some sort of democratic system, or at least a bureaucracy that vets hires here?
The episode picks up, though, once we actually get to the Athena. The other main cadets all have very different personalities, and most of them have a clear personality flaw to overcome. Jay-Den is unusually timid for a Klingon. SAM is awkward. Darem is arrogant. Genesis is the only one who unfortunately seems a bit boring at the moment.
Turning to the adult characters other than Ake, Lura Thok is a joy here as a character, and I hope we learn more about her. It's always nice to see the Doctor again, but I hope he evolves into more than just fanservice. The bridge crew seemed largely furniture so far - we'll see if this keeps up in the future.
The last third or so of the episode is given over to the conflict with Nus Braka. Giamatti is playing him as a broad cartoon character, and having the time of his life. I think this is appropriate for a pilot however - particularly because the task of saving the ship is largely handed over to the cadets. We don't want a threat that adult or intimidating (he's really just trying to steal the warp core - something that's only a minor inconvenience to the Athena). The crisis is classic Trek collective problem solving, and the writers make sure to give every cadet something meaningful to do.
I have nitpicks, a few of which I noted above, but there's a few more. The vacuum of space is being portrayed all wrong (though Discovery fucked this up too, so I guess it's canon now in the Trekverse). Not sure why Jay-Den has human teeth - maybe because they wanted him to be hot? I don't like how fidgety Holly Hunter is playing Ake. But I finished the episode, and immediately wanted to watch the next one, so they're doing something right.
A good pilot - the best pilot of the modern Trek era. Onward!
I think the extended prologue showing Caleb's childhood backstory was a bit self indulgent and unnecessary. Show not tell is very important of course, but we didn't need to see Tom Paris's fall from grace for Caretaker for the pilot of that show to be compelling. I will say though that Caleb's backstory was a lot more compelling than the cut-down bits from the trailers made it seem, showing both the Federation and Ake as somewhat flawed in a way that makes the conflict much more compelling.
Ake, on the other hand, just isn't working yet for me. While I understand why they wanted the cameo with Vance pulling her out of retirement, the idea that someone who was a mid-level Captain fifteen years prior, who had been running a preschool, could just be plopped in as Chancellor of the academy stretched credulity a lot more than her pulling some strings to get Caleb to join. Particularly because the show makes it clear that all of it happened in less than 24 hours! Isn't there some sort of democratic system, or at least a bureaucracy that vets hires here?
The episode picks up, though, once we actually get to the Athena. The other main cadets all have very different personalities, and most of them have a clear personality flaw to overcome. Jay-Den is unusually timid for a Klingon. SAM is awkward. Darem is arrogant. Genesis is the only one who unfortunately seems a bit boring at the moment.
Turning to the adult characters other than Ake, Lura Thok is a joy here as a character, and I hope we learn more about her. It's always nice to see the Doctor again, but I hope he evolves into more than just fanservice. The bridge crew seemed largely furniture so far - we'll see if this keeps up in the future.
The last third or so of the episode is given over to the conflict with Nus Braka. Giamatti is playing him as a broad cartoon character, and having the time of his life. I think this is appropriate for a pilot however - particularly because the task of saving the ship is largely handed over to the cadets. We don't want a threat that adult or intimidating (he's really just trying to steal the warp core - something that's only a minor inconvenience to the Athena). The crisis is classic Trek collective problem solving, and the writers make sure to give every cadet something meaningful to do.
I have nitpicks, a few of which I noted above, but there's a few more. The vacuum of space is being portrayed all wrong (though Discovery fucked this up too, so I guess it's canon now in the Trekverse). Not sure why Jay-Den has human teeth - maybe because they wanted him to be hot? I don't like how fidgety Holly Hunter is playing Ake. But I finished the episode, and immediately wanted to watch the next one, so they're doing something right.
A good pilot - the best pilot of the modern Trek era. Onward!
I just said this in my own review, but she's the one I like the least, because it's just not clear to me what her fatal flaw is/what needs to change for growth.
We immediately understand that Caleb needs to learn to trust and rely on others. That Jay-Den needs to be confident. That SAM needs to learn how to socialize. That Darem needs to stop being such an asshole.
What does Genesis need?
Damn, still stuck at the office, having to wait for when I can watch the episodes later tonight. But reading what y’all think makes me very enthusiastic for finally watching them. It’s good to see that most people seem to enjoy the show, even despite some flaws. 
i liked it. A solid 8 out of 10. One of the better Trek pilots of the streaming era. I like the characters, especially Holly Hunter and Gina Yashere.
Even the cadets were better than i'd expected. I'm liking Genesis and Sam
Even the cadets were better than i'd expected. I'm liking Genesis and Sam
To be humbled. We kinda saw this in Episode 1 where she memorised Thok's security code, and was thrown off when it didnt work. Her fathers an Admiral, she grew up on ships and stations, so theres something there that makes her think shes made made for this - and maybe she actually isn't.
One of the gimmicks for Jubilee when she joined Generation X, she used to say, "this one time, when I was with the X-Men ..."
Oh, thanks. I'll have to re-watch that bit and listen better.
Yeah, the captions on youtube were crap but hopefully better on P+ which I'll watch today.
Im only a couple minutes in and try not to do that "live review" shit, and this isnt to say that I will ultimately have positive thoughts, or that only those are allowed, but after watching all the drama and discourse and extreme hate and and the talk about the legacy of a franchise and the bigotry directed at the people involved play out over the past few weeks, when you sit down in front of it and start watching you remember that in the end this is just a TV show.
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