Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[SantaEddie74]

Hence why Sybok and his followers could take the Enterprise-A to the center of the galaxy in the space of a few days, a journey that should have taken a late 23rd century starship over a century at maximum warp. The movie novelization explains why it could make that journey, but even so - needs of the plot. Scriptwriting 101.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Hence why Sybok and his followers could take the Enterprise-A to the center of the galaxy in the space of a few days, a journey that should have taken a late 23rd century starship over a century at maximum warp. The movie novelization explains why it could make that journey, but even so - needs of the plot. Scriptwriting 101.

Exactly. But some people will grasp any straw and take any opportunity to bash Discovery.

 

[SantaEddie74]

I have a plethora of quibbles with the creative choices of DSC, even in the seasons I liked. That said, some Trekkies just love to make the show a one-size-fits-all punching bag.

 

[Set Harth]

Hence why Sybok and his followers could take the Enterprise-A to the center of the galaxy in the space of a few days

Looking at you, Voyager.

 

[Weyoun 251]

When the manual gets reference on screen I'll take that more seriously.

I know it would be stupid to do...but as an easter egg seeing a glimpse of the students reading list and it having Technical Manual - R Steinbech M Okuda on there like a uni reading list would be funny

 

[Turtletrekker]

I know it would be stupid to do...but as an easter egg seeing a glimpse of the students reading list and it having Technical Manual - R Steinbech M Okuda on there like a uni reading list would be funny

More stupid than the Enterprise D having crew quarters assigned to Commander Luke Skywalker?

 

[Weyoun 251]

More stupid than the Enterprise D having crew quarters assigned to Commander Luke Skywalker?

How did I not know that?! Which episode?

TBF, they do have Red Squad...

 

[Adventerprise]

L. Skywalker

According to the chart "Medical Log SD 47215.7", Cadet L. Skywalker was a Starfleet Academy trainee in the 24th century. The name was listed with other individuals in a USS Enterprise-D medical log. Based on the stardate, this chart was possibly made for the Star Trek: The Next Generation...

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There's also this:

Skywalker Division

The Skywalker Division was one of the shipbuilding operations located at the Marin County Starfleet Yards. The division built the USS Pasteur. (TNG: "All Good Things...")

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[Turtletrekker]

How did I not know that?! Which episode?

TBF, they do have Red Squad...

Sorry, cadet not Commander.

L. Skywalker

According to the chart "Medical Log SD 47215.7", Cadet L. Skywalker was a Starfleet Academy trainee in the 24th century. The name was listed with other individuals in a USS Enterprise-D medical log. Based on the stardate, this chart was possibly made for the Star Trek: The Next Generation...

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Ninja'd!!

 

[Weyoun 251]

L. Skywalker

According to the chart "Medical Log SD 47215.7", Cadet L. Skywalker was a Starfleet Academy trainee in the 24th century. The name was listed with other individuals in a USS Enterprise-D medical log. Based on the stardate, this chart was possibly made for the Star Trek: The Next Generation...

memory-alpha.fandom.com

There's also this:

Skywalker Division

The Skywalker Division was one of the shipbuilding operations located at the Marin County Starfleet Yards. The division built the USS Pasteur. (TNG: "All Good Things...")

memory-alpha.fandom.com

Sorry, cadet not Commander.

L. Skywalker

According to the chart "Medical Log SD 47215.7", Cadet L. Skywalker was a Starfleet Academy trainee in the 24th century. The name was listed with other individuals in a USS Enterprise-D medical log. Based on the stardate, this chart was possibly made for the Star Trek: The Next Generation...

memory-alpha.fandom.com

Ninja'd!!

Thank you both!

 

[Fateor]

The reason for the setting is obvious. They want to get away from the Roddenberry Utopia of the old shows and use the Burn as a excuse to make the Trek universe a metaphor for the present day. They feel like that the only way to get kids into Star Trek is basically stop being Star Trek and make the setting feel like 2025 but with aliens and magical space tech.

I understand the logic of what they are doing but I don't think it will work. Old fans will loose interests because it doesn't feel like traditional Trek and young people don't watch tv unless something in a show becomes trendy.

Granted Trek has been trying to find ways around the Roddenberry Utopia for awhile. DS9 was on alien space station and first show to have non-Starfleet characters. Voyager was sent to a distant galaxy and created the Maquis for conflict. Enterprise was a prequel before in theory the utopia existed. One thing all these shows had in common though is they were made by RIck Berman and he always felt a need for these shows to never go to far from the Roddenberry Vision stuff. which by then was him just making assumptions of what Roddenberry would have wanted done, since Gene had been dead since season 5 of TNG.

Academy much like Section 31 actually feels like modern Trek's first real attempts to completely break away from the Roddenberry Vision stuff and become something different. So for this show to work it basically has to work as being a good regular show because it can't use nostalgia and familiar Trek feelings to carry some of the weight. The EMH being maybe the one bone tossed to the old fans and hoping it will be enough. It doesn't have the fan service you get with Picard season 3 or SNW and it's use of many TOS characters or the love letter to Trek that Lower Decks was or even Admiral Janeway in Prodigy.

"Roddenberry's Utopia" is why people like Trek.

If they want angsty depressing drek there's a thousand and one other shows out there.

Not with time travel being illegal in the 32nd century.

Of course, that didn't stop the DISCO writers from doing it anyway in season 5's "Face the Strange". They couldn't help themselves but add in time travel there, so I expect them to not be able to help themselves in ACADEMY at least once, either.

Time travel isn't illegal.

That's just what Daniel claimed, but his Illuminati like organization is obviously still using it given the White Room and how they knew about the whole Calypso thing.

 

[Adventerprise]

Besides, it can happen any number of accidental anomalous ways, not to mention someone else can deliberately send them back against their will.

 

[Turtletrekker]

"Roddenberry Utopia" is why people like Trek.

Not the only reason. Besides, it's much more interesting to see utopia being rebuilt than it would be just to watch it be utopia.

 

[SantaEddie74]

I'd rather watch how we get to the "paradise" of the late 24th century than watch said utopia every single week.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'd rather watch how we get to the "paradise" of the late 24th century than watch said utopia every single week.

"It's easy to be a saint in Paradise."

 

[Detached Nacelle]

It's more reasons why DS9 was just the best, it showed the dark sides of utopia, the fact that it has be fought for.

 

[Christmas Canon Spock]

Not the only reason. Besides, it's much more interesting to see utopia being rebuilt than it would be just to watch it be utopia.

I didn't watch for utopia.

 

[Set Harth]

"Roddenberry's Utopia" is why people like Trek.

If they want angsty depressing drek there's a thousand and one other shows out there.

So their choices are Trek and Drek? (And maybe Dek?)

 

[Santa Kang]

"Roddenberry's Utopia" is why people like Trek.

It's the least interesting part of Trek.

 

[Frostscape One]

"Roddenberry's Utopia" is why people like Trek.

If they want angsty depressing drek there's a thousand and one other shows out there.



Time travel isn't illegal.

That's just what Daniel claimed, but his Illuminati like organization is obviously still using it given the White Room and how they knew about the whole Calypso thing.

Actually, time travel was made illegal by that time, after the Temporal Wars and the Temporal Accords were made. Discovery's very appearance in that century (at the early part of season 3) was even a plot point.