Jonathan Goldstein and John Francis Daley developing Star Trek reboot for Paramount

[TREK_GOD_1]

TOS as a dramatization not existing exactly as shown

That was Roddenberry's absurd attempt at revision, which was not the reality of the films---including the one movie he was most associated with. TOS is the "real" account of events (and no one--outside of Roddenberry--associated with the films ever denied it), and its world (especially its 1701 designs as mentioned time and again) was evolved as one would expect in stories taking place several years later, whether advocates of would-be revision accept that or not.

Moreover, the DS9 anniversary episode is canon--an episode where a TOS episode was taken as and experienced at face value as the real account, not some "dramatization" of events from the six DS9 characters who fully interacted with TOS' universe/story. The same applies to ENT's 4th season TOS-themed episode. It is interesting to see real ST--canonical ST reinforce the opposite of Roddenberry's failed revisionism attempt from TMP's era.

Yes, it is a minority opinion

For good reason--demonstrated in this thread.

 

[fireproof78]

That was Roddenberry's absurd attempt at revision, which was not the reality of the films---including the one movie he was most associated with. TOS is the "real" account of events (and no one--outside of Roddenberry--associated with the films ever denied it), and its world (especially its 1701 designs as mentioned time and again) was evolved as one would expect in stories taking place several years later, whether advocates of would-be revision accept that or not.

And how would one expect?

Moreover, the DS9 anniversary episode is canon--an episode where a TOS episode was taken as and experienced at face value as the real account, not some "dramatization" of events from the six DS9 characters who fully interacted with TOS' universe/story. The same applies to ENT's 4th season TOS-themed episode. It is interesting to see real ST--canonical ST reinforce the opposite of Roddenberry's failed revisionism attempt from TMP's era.

That doesn't make them correct. Just one interpretation.

For good reason--demonstrated in this thread.

It's art and open to interpretation. You enjoy it your way and I shall enjoy it mine. TMP to TNG works. TOS to TNG doesn't as straight history.

 

[TRON JA307020]

And how would one expect?


That doesn't make them correct. Just one interpretation.


It's art and open to interpretation. You enjoy it your way and I shall enjoy it mine. TMP to TNG works. TOS to TNG doesn't as straight history.

True. You are free to enjoy it any way you like. But Trekgod is right. There has always been a clear evolution of tech and interior look from tos to voyager. Also even Enterprise had a retro look that didnt feel over advanced to TOS such as a smaller bridge, smaller corridors, smaller and more primitive transporter etc. Kurtzman shows are the only ones that broke this tradition. All their shown times lines are starting to blur now. STDs tech seem and look seemed much more advanced than even TNG. STPs first two seasons felt more like STD in look and story. Only the 3rd started gi get us back to a tng look but even that looked loke STD with the neon strip lighting, darker bridge and window viewscreen. Section 31. Sigh. That terrible movie took place in what maybe the 2320s? Looked nothing like we would expect the era to look like. Looked just like STD. 32nd century same deal. A thousand years later they're still using orange SNW style doors, neon strip lighting to lifht the bridges and still using PADDs etc. Its stretching credibility. Kurtzman abandoned company just dont care. It used to be fun to see the clear evolution from the shows but now we don't have that.

 

[HotRod]

True. You are free to enjoy it any way you like. But Trekgod is right. There has always been a clear evolution of tech and interior look from tos to voyager. Also even Enterprise had a retro look that didnt feel over advanced to TOS such as a smaller bridge, smaller corridors, smaller and more primitive transporter etc. Kurtzman shows are the only ones that broke this tradition. All their shown times lines are starting to blur now. STDs tech seem and look seemed much more advanced than even TNG. STPs first two seasons felt more like STD in look and story. Only the 3rd started gi get us back to a tng look but even that looked loke STD with the neon strip lighting, darker bridge and window viewscreen. Section 31. Sigh. That terrible movie took place in what maybe the 2320s? Looked nothing like we would expect the era to look like. Looked just like STD. 32nd century same deal. A thousand years later they're still using orange SNW style doors, neon strip lighting to lifht the bridges and still using PADDs etc. Its stretching credibility. Kurtzman abandoned company just dont care. It used to be fun to see the clear evolution from the shows but now we don't have that.

 

[fireproof78]

True. You are free to enjoy it any way you like. But Trekgod is right. There has always been a clear evolution of tech and interior look from tos to voyager. Also even Enterprise had a retro look that didnt feel over advanced to TOS such as a smaller bridge, smaller corridors, smaller and more primitive transporter etc. Kurtzman shows are the only ones that broke this tradition. All their shown times lines are starting to blur now. STDs tech seem and look seemed much more advanced than even TNG. STPs first two seasons felt more like STD in look and story. Only the 3rd started gi get us back to a tng look but even that looked loke STD with the neon strip lighting, darker bridge and window viewscreen. Section 31. Sigh. That terrible movie took place in what maybe the 2320s? Looked nothing like we would expect the era to look like. Looked just like STD. 32nd century same deal. A thousand years later they're still using orange SNW style doors, neon strip lighting to lifht the bridges and still using PADDs etc. Its stretching credibility. Kurtzman abandoned company just dont care. It used to be fun to see the clear evolution from the shows but now we don't have that.

TNG reused sets and models all the time. The Excelsior in service for 80 years. Oberth over 80 years. Miranda as long. That's absurd to me for spacecraft.

Sets blended together. TUC in particular has that, though TFF was just as bad.

This is the same standard as people are applying to SNW. The people don't feel right, the tech doesn't feel right or similar from TOS to TMP. That's all I'm saying. It just the same standard y'all are applying. I just did it back when I saw TOS then TMP then TOS, and looked at it side by side.

 

[The Wormhole]

32nd century same deal. A thousand years later they're still using orange SNW style doors, neon strip lighting to lifht the bridges and still using PADDs etc.

Actually, they weren't using PADDs in Disco's 32nd century seasons, a holographic interface projects out of their badges to serve the function of a PADD. It's the Academy series where 32nd PADDs are going to be a thing, which I suspect is due to budget. It's cheaper to have the actors carry PADDs around with them than it is to insert holograms in front of them.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Actually, they weren't using PADDs in Disco's 32nd century seasons, a holographic interface projects out of their badges to serve the function of a PADD. It's the Academy series where 32nd PADDs are going to be a thing, which I suspect is due to budget. It's cheaper to have the actors carry PADDs around with them than it is to insert holograms in front of them.

Maybe the cadets don't get the advanced tech. If I recall correctly, the doors of the dorm rooms at the Academy in "The First Duty" had... doorknobs!

 

[The Wormhole]

Both theories can be correct.

 

[Stewey]

I hate the idea of a reboot with every fibre of my being, but I will at least respect the people making it outright saying it is a reboot without the ridiculous twisting and turning done with the previous reboot films pretending to be both in the actual trek universe and their version by claiming to be some kind of perverted alternative timeline.

Will I watch it? Nope, it would be akin to watching the rotting animated corpse of a once great fictional universe twitching its way out of its grave for an hour and a half before it falls flat on its arse as soon as it tries to stand up. Kind of like the past 25 years of the drivel so far made under the franchise label.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Perhaps, just as people are realizing the values of hard copy books, paper, and pens, the academy recognizes that PADDs can have their advantages compared to other more advanced tech.

Besides, they'll have to face conditions where they won't always have access to the latest tech (system failures, stranded on low-tech planet, captured and tech seized, etc.), so it's valuable to have experience working with lower tech. And in some cases, it creates a more homey atmosphere.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's the good old days all over again.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

TNG reused sets and models all the time. The Excelsior in service for 80 years. Oberth over 80 years. Miranda as long. That's absurd to me for spacecraft.

The B-52 bomber is still in service after 73 years of service and is expected to last 100 years.

There are still some DC-3 and DC-10 being flown around the world with 60+ years of service.

Who's to say what a 23rd-24th century spaceframe can handle.

 

[fireproof78]

The B-52 bomber is still in service after 73 years of service and is expected to last 100 years.

There are still some DC-3 and DC-10 being flown around the world with 60+ years of service.

Who's to say what a 23rd-24th century spaceframe can handle.

That's why I said spacecraft. I'm aware of military plane service but I personally don't see spacecraft doing that.

 

[Set Harth]

I hate the idea of a reboot with every fibre of my being, but I will at least respect the people making it outright saying it is a reboot without the ridiculous twisting and turning done with the previous reboot films pretending to be both in the actual trek universe and their version by claiming to be some kind of perverted alternative timeline.

What ridiculous twisting and turning? It's simply a branched timeline created by time travel.

 

[Firebird]

I hate the idea of a reboot with every fibre of my being, but I will at least respect the people making it outright saying it is a reboot without the ridiculous twisting and turning done with the previous reboot films pretending to be both in the actual trek universe and their version by claiming to be some kind of perverted alternative timeline.

Will I watch it? Nope, it would be akin to watching the rotting animated corpse of a once great fictional universe twitching its way out of its grave for an hour and a half before it falls flat on its arse as soon as it tries to stand up. Kind of like the past 25 years of the drivel so far made under the franchise label.

The whining over someone saying or not saying something is a reboot is possibly the dumbest discourse I've yet seen.

There are so many larger issues to be concerned with in the franchise beyond a word that seems to frighten a far too vocal minority in the fanbase.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

There has always been a clear evolution of tech and interior look from tos to voyager. Also even Enterprise had a retro look that didnt feel over advanced to TOS such as a smaller bridge, smaller corridors, smaller and more primitive transporter etc.

Indeed, which is why in-universe, DS9's Trials and Tribble-ations" and ENT's "In a Mirror, Darkly" made full use of TOS' ships, hand devices, costumes, etc., all (as noted yesterday) taken as and experienced at face value as the real, canonical / in-universe account, not a "dramatization" of events which wiped away the specifics of TOS as something to disregard.

Kurtzman shows are the only ones that broke this tradition. All their shown times lines are starting to blur now. STDs tech seem and look seemed much more advanced than even TNG. STPs first two seasons felt more like STD in look and story. Only the 3rd started gi get us back to a tng look but even that looked loke STD with the neon strip lighting, darker bridge and window viewscreen. Section 31. Sigh.

All true, but that's to be expected with some driven by an agenda to erase, upend or replace TOS in their prequel series. It is an agenda doomed from the start, but they're still trying.

 

[Tuskin38]

but that's to be expected with some driven by an agenda to erase, upend or replace TOS in their prequel series. It is an agenda doomed from the start, but they're still trying.

They're doing no such thing.

Indeed, which is why in-universe, DS9's Trials and Tribble-ations" and ENT's "In a Mirror, Darkly" made full use of TOS' ships, hand devices, costumes, etc., all (as noted yesterday) taken as and experienced at face value as the real, canonical / in-universe account, not a "dramatization" of events which wiped away the specifics of TOS as something to disregard.

Because they were lead by people who couldn't get their heads out of the past.

 

[Dukhat]

Because they were lead by people who couldn't get their heads out of the past.

That’s a very silly comment. It’s also incorrect.

 

[Cyrus]

The new movie is supposedly "a completely new take on the Star Trek universe and not connected to any previous or current television series, movie or prior movie development projects". Isn't that kind of what Noah Hawley movie was going to be? I haven't watched any of Hawley's TV shows so I don't know how good a writer he is but I would have liked to see his take on Star Trek. I definitely would have loved to see the Tarantino Trek with his take on "A Piece of the Action".

 

[Procutus]

It's the good old days all over again.

Ain't it, though?