Season 4 First Clip

[fireproof78]

Do the showrunners really struggle to see that this behaviour isn't Spock?

Yes.

Because people change. Relationship and experimentation is somewhat common in young people. Sadly, many try to establish relationships before completely forging their identity.

And then one might wonder why Spock looks at a childhood photo of T'Pring in TOS instead of an adult one.

Where obligation began.

 

[ILovePuppies]

However, I am obsessed with the Spock/Chapel/La'an thing, so I am happy for more of that.

I thought that I would like this but then I didn't really see it. Ep 5 has a bit of tension and an absolutely cringe-worth, non Star Trek moment where La'an loses her mind and tells Chapel not to be that woman. I would not take kindly to being spoken to like that in my workplace and would have a firm response that demonstrated how inappropriate I found that comment to be. Outside of that though, do we really get a triangle? Spock has almost no moments of reflection or pining in this season. I think that they would have taken a lot more out of it if Spock has quietly been in a bit of pain and we'd seen him reflecting on whether he was more compatible with a fellow Vulcan and wanted that lifestyle rather than La'an.

I was looking for triangle moments though so please point them out!

I can sort of forgive the Spock romance thing, while it seemed like he broke up with Chapel and was devoted to science in Subspace Rhapsody it isn't all that "human" to just be able to make a clean break like that and even in TOS Spock was still shown to not always be able to contain his emotions even without mind control or spores or what have you.

The life threatening circumstances with the Gorn brought his feelings for Chapel back up and La'an is a rebound. Unhealthy and illogical but human. The why of Spock deciding to embrace his Vulcan side so much strongly in TOS and then undergoing (at least attempting to) kolinahr after that 5 year mission is over is a much longer answer than people probably imagined but people are very very complicated.

We can for now at least assume Leila is post-La'an so Spock has realised that human romances just don't work for him so he refused to reciprocate her feelings not wanting to be in another rebound.

Uhura and Beto...unless they think of something much more creative to do with them then that's just going to continue to be boring. A moment between Uhura and Scotty maybe even if he is 13 or 14 years older than her but clearly hasn't hit the scotch quite so hard yet.

I was happy with the T'Pring and Chapel romances. They built a strong character arc and connected strongly to the question of his identity. The La'an relationship was were the character growth fell away in exchange for her looking hot.

I agree with the first part of your post although I'm curious about La'an being a rebound. I would be more onboard with the relationship if they did clearly establish this as a rebound. That would offer Spock a different sort of experience and a change for some character growth out of this. Otherwise they've done love (Chapel) and commitment (T'Pring) so there's nothing to gain from another romance.

I would be very interested to know what makes this a rebound in your opinion? I've seen some mixed opinions. I would prefer a rebound so please fill me in!

 

[Mage]

Do the showrunners really struggle to see that this behaviour isn't Spock? Yes he's younger but we're only a few years off TOS. He needs to be at least like Spock. He was much closer in Season 1.

A lot has happened to me in the last 6-7 years, and I have not always been as I was before that time, nor have I been consistent during the last few years with everything that is happening in my life.
Fictional characters should reflect real life for a show to be believable. Yes, even scifi.

 

[Leo Walsh]

I can't think of anything sadder than Peck's Spock descending or falling back into the dour, neurotic TOS Nimoy Spock.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

My guess is a variation on The Galileo Seven. I wonder which crew die...

The ones who aren't regulars.

 

[ILovePuppies]

A lot has happened to me in the last 6-7 years, and I have not always been as I was before that time, nor have I been consistent during the last few years with everything that is happening in my life.
Fictional characters should reflect real life for a show to be believable. Yes, even scifi.

I appreciate the argument that people change. I can see that he embraced a moment of change to chase Chapel that would have been unthinkable a year earlier. But these choices weren't made easily and involved reflection. Season 3 would have us believe that Spock would begin a relationship with La'an two episodes after he declared his love for Chapel and while he was engaged. His third straight relationship in an chain. He hasn't paused to reflect on this or wonder how this fits into his Vulcanness. He was thoughtful and committed only a year earlier when he tried to avoid Chapel for a few months. I do think it's out of character and due to the showrunners wanting a romantic lead rather than wanting Spock. Perhaps I could understand this more if they had let the La'an relationship be a clearer rebound for both characters and a short thing. We could have seen Spock struggling with this - but this hasn't happened.

I do feel that Spock sleeping with a third straight partner under these circumstances without a pause for reflection is out of character. Spock should still be driven by core principles of who he is and they did this in Season 1 and 2. There's no character growth and no new challenges for the actor.

I really do appreciate that not everyone agrees but I think it's been a commonly raised problem by reviewers so I don't think I'm alone in not feeling that it's Spock. Still, Ethan's comments might suggest that his relationship with La'an is about some sort of growth that connects to Kirk. I hope that this means it's left behind.

 

[Mage]

I appreciate the argument that people change. I can see that he embraced a moment of change to chase Chapel that would have been unthinkable a year earlier. But these choices weren't made easily and involved reflection. Season 3 would have us believe that Spock would begin a relationship with La'an two episodes after he declared his love for Chapel and while he was engaged. His third straight relationship in an chain. He hasn't paused to reflect on this or wonder how this fits into his Vulcanness. He was thoughtful and committed only a year earlier when he tried to avoid Chapel for a few months. I do think it's out of character and due to the showrunners wanting a romantic lead rather than wanting Spock. Perhaps I could understand this more if they had let the La'an relationship be a clearer rebound for both characters and a short thing. We could have seen Spock struggling with this - but this hasn't happened.

I do feel that Spock sleeping with a third straight partner under these circumstances without a pause for reflection is out of character. Spock should still be driven by core principles of who he is and they did this in Season 1 and 2. There's no character growth and no new challenges for the actor.

I really do appreciate that not everyone agrees but I think it's been a commonly raised problem by reviewers so I don't think I'm alone in not feeling that it's Spock. Still, Ethan's comments might suggest that his relationship with La'an is about some sort of growth that connects to Kirk. I hope that this means it's left behind.

I do appreciate how you and others feel as well. For me, I feel that the writers are looking at a Spock that is taking many emotional choices that will backfire in the long run that will lead, ultimately, to the very logical Spock we see during TOS.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Bento

Beta

Poor Beto

 

[fireproof78]

I do appreciate how you and others feel as well. For me, I feel that the writers are looking at a Spock that is taking many emotional choices that will backfire in the long run that will lead, ultimately, to the very logical Spock we see during TOS.

Same. To me, Spock is going through the rather painful growing process of discovering himself, and his limits. Yes, that will involve mistakes made.

As someone who found Spock in TOS most admirable the growth process has resonated quite deeply for me.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I really do appreciate that not everyone agrees but I think it's been a commonly raised problem by reviewers so I don't think I'm alone in not feeling that it's Spock. Still, Ethan's comments might suggest that his relationship with La'an is about some sort of growth that connects to Kirk. I hope that this means it's left behind.

I think we got all we'll ever get of Spirk when they linked minds and their two ships humped each other in space. That's plenty for me. Also, though I am bi, I'm okay if queer people are not interested in looking outside their preference and the same for straight people. It's okay to be just who we are and love who we love, right? That being said, I am a little disappointed in the lack of queer people on the show. But I am happy to assume we just haven't met them yet.

 

[Procutus]

The space-storm reminded me a great deal of V'Ger. Perhaps the distress call is coming from Voyager 6.

 

[Rahul]

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Once more, I do wonder what goes into the thought process which clips to release in anticipation.

Like, for season 3 they selected to show the full setup for the worst episode of the season, which was also near the end - making me dread that Vulcan race bend episode in advance for most of the season.

This one... looks better. But so, so bland. Like - this could be the setup for a great episode - but for the moment, it is the most by-the-numbers set-up. Like, who's going to be excited to see a space anomaly on Star Trek? And I love that show!

 

[fireproof78]

Like, who's going to be excited to see a space anomaly on Star Trek?

*raises hand*

 

[IMC Headquarters]

So the Enterprise uses Iridium spark plugs in the warp core???

Did I hear Scotty right?

 

[fireproof78]

Pictured here at the top of the chamber

 

[Procutus]

^

"Cap'n, I canna make heads or tails out of these things!"

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

Pictured here at the top of the chamber

Scotty: We've gotta do something about the captain's sweet tooth.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

I assume that they won't make it romantic with Kirk? Now that would be controversial.

Why would it be controversial? Gene Roddenberry Himself established a Kirk/Spock romance in his TMP novelization. So if that's the direction they take their relationship on SNW, they will be true to Gene's Vision.

Oh, you don't like the idea of canonizing novels, do you?

 

[Sakonna]

Once more, I do wonder what goes into the thought process which clips to release in anticipation.

Like, for season 3 they selected to show the full setup for the worst episode of the season, which was also near the end - making me dread that Vulcan race bend episode in advance for most of the season.

This one... looks better. But so, so bland. Like - this could be the setup for a great episode - but for the moment, it is the most by-the-numbers set-up. Like, who's going to be excited to see a space anomaly on Star Trek? And I love that show!

Yes, I have also thought their judgment in preview clips is terrible!

I even quite like "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans", but they released the worst part of it.

It's like almost any other three-minute chunk of the season would have been better. Just such odd choices.

 

[The Salt Umpire]

I can't think of anything sadder than Peck's Spock descending or falling back into the dour, neurotic TOS Nimoy Spock.

I don't either. I like SNW Spock.