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Poll They neen to make Star Trek janeway like they did with picard

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Only if it's like the first 2 seasons of Picard and had its own identity. If it's going to be televised slop from the deepest recesses of ao3 like season 3 then no thank you, consider the regression that would befall characters like Kim, even if they gave him captain's pips he would just be stood behind ops with one line about the sensors.
Maybe, but it would have brought three decades of "poor dumb forever ensign Kim" to a decisive end. Which may be why they quashed it.
 
Maybe, but it would have brought three decades of "poor dumb forever ensign Kim" to a decisive end. Which may be why they quashed it.
Oh they'd have found ways to cater to it. The computer calling him Ensign Kim. Camera angles positioned so you only see one pip or the ship gets hit and he gets knocked into the wall causing all but one pip to fall off.

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.
 
Now you're bringing back the schtick I use to amuse kids, where I have that famous conversation between Vader and Luke. Giving Luke a high squeaky voice.
 
"Now, Admiral Kim, we didn't have time to complete our updates of the restored Voyager's computer systems, so in order for it to recognize your command authority...well, you're gonna have to lose the pips... You can put them in this small box we found under the helm console for safekeeping."
 
Female citizen: "Admiral Kim, I just wanted to say..."
*Janeway walks in, surprising both Harry and the woman*
Janeway: "Harry, what is all this?"
Harry: "Oh! Well, it's, ah, nothing."
Harry: "Computer...end program."
 
Harry and Kim are both very common names.
And the same middle initials?

Female citizen: "Admiral Kim, I just wanted to say..."
*Janeway walks in, surprising both Harry and the woman*
Janeway: "Harry, what is all this?"
Harry: "Oh! Well, it's, ah, nothing."
Harry: "Computer...end program."

Janeway: "Come on, Harry. Your ceremony starts in an hour. And you don't want to be late to your promotion to admiral. So let's get going."
Harry: "Yes, ma'am."
 
Janeway: "Come on, Harry. Your ceremony starts in an hour. And you don't want to be late to your promotion to admiral. So let's get going."
Harry: "Yes, ma'am."

Nice. No doubt your next twist will knock our socks off. The multi-layered holodeck "gotcha" was already featured in both "Ship in a Bottle" and "Projections", but I am open to further variations on a theme.
 
And the same middle initials?



Janeway: "Come on, Harry. Your ceremony starts in an hour. And you don't want to be late to your promotion to admiral. So let's get going."
Harry: "Yes, ma'am."
I'd have no trouble putting that down to coincidence. Starfleet is a big place.
Maybe Voyager's Ensign Kim made it to Lt. Commander in command of a small ship, or maybe he really was the admiral. The list of names is not definitive.
 
Indeed. And Harry fits the profile for being an officer on the way up, especially given his initial assignment. Janeway freely admitted that he had exceeded even her high expectations.

Ironically, if there had been a valid reason for his lack of promotion (and I have repeatedly verified that there was none), it might have made his character more memorable. When describing him, the main three things you seem to get are...
3. Played the clarinet.
2. Friends with Tom.
1. Never promoted.
 
What would be valid besides "he doesn't deserve it/nobody likes him enough", and therefore creative?

Have him be a prince who is allowed to serve but not rank up for fear he might use Starfleet might to seize power on his homeworld? (hardly matters when he's so far from from home, but maybe he honors the stipulations his planet asked of him when he joined Starfleet)
 
What would be valid besides "he doesn't deserve it/nobody likes him enough", and therefore creative?

Maybe he was a great Academy student, but the reality of being in Starfleet was different. Maybe he was a slacker who got by on his intelligence (I could tell you some stories), but the reality of being an officer was different. Watching him either crash and burn or actually have to apply himself for the first time would be a decent story arc.

Died and was replaced by an alternate universe version. So the 'real' Harry will never be promoted. So many people seem to forget this.

I didn't forget it. I beat you to it by 5 years. :p

Parody fanfictions aside, even if the "real" Harry died a year into his Starfleet career (while his low rank still made sense), that doesn't mean that "alternate" Harry (who had the same education and experience) doesn't deserve advancement.
 
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Parody fanfictions aside, even if the "real" Harry died a year into his Starfleet career (while his low rank still made sense), that doesn't mean that "alternate" Harry (who had the same education and experience) doesn't deserve advancement.

Didn't LDS show that any Harry from any universe getting promoted would have very dire consequences?
 
Didn't LDS show that any Harry from any universe getting promoted would have very dire consequences?
Maybe that only applies if the promoted Harry discovers that in many other timelines he wasn't promoted?

...though, I do wish we'd learned more about the circumstances of that Harry's timeline and what led to his promotion. It would be a real slap in the face if his reaction to the question was, "I just did my job...and didn't have any unauthorized sex with aliens."
 
Don't forget:

4. Died and was replaced by an alternate universe version. So the 'real' Harry will never be promoted. So many people seem to forget this.
Hey! He also played the saxomophone!

...oh! Maybe that's why he wasn't promoted. Lieutenant Kim focused on the clarinet instead of dividing his attentions between two instruments, thus ultimately failing to excel at either...

...though, should we be nudging this thread back on topic instead of derailing it into another Harry Kim quagmire?
 
Agreed. To summarize, I'm dubious about a Janeway spin-off, but I'd watch it. And hope for Harry to show up.
 
Agreed. To summarize, I'm dubious about a Janeway spin-off, but I'd watch it. And hope for Harry to show up.

The Janeway spinoff rumor was the result of miscommunication about something Mulgrew said on the Star Trek cruise. It ain’t happening.
 
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