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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x10 - "New Life and New Civilizations"

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Which, again, there was no reason to worry about the Pah-wraiths because they had been trapped for thousands of years. Starfleet had real, tangible other threats that were more immediate and FAR more likely they prepare for.

By your logic, Starfleet officers should be prepared for their captain to be turned into a kid because of a transporter.
I think there should be a plan based upon a presented threat.
 
I think we can agree to disagree here, because I don't think "THE RECKONING" really has much to do with this episode, outside of a non corporeal entity being in them both. While this is a pretty bad SNW, it's not as bad as "THE RECKONING" (the worst episode of DS9, in my view).
 
I think we can agree to disagree here, because I don't think "THE RECKONING" really has much to do with this episode, outside of a non corporeal entity being in them both. While this is a pretty bad SNW, it's not as bad as "THE RECKONING" (the worst episode of DS9, in my view).
Damn. Coming in strong with a (controversial?) opinion on that episode. Always one of my favorites.
 
Damn. Coming in strong with a (controversial?) opinion on that episode. Always one of my favorites.
It's the worst because it completely undermines one of THE cornerstones of DS9 (and one of the most important aspects of DS9): Sisko being a great dad.

Sisko willingly allowed his son to stay possessed without trying to rid the Pah-wraith. He was risking his son's life for that battle, and he is watching Jake getting hurt and bleeding and was just standing there. This goes against everything we have seen of the man for those past 6 years, and is just a monumental insult to his character. It's the only episode that actually does some character assassination of him

When Kai Winn looks like the hero and the reasonable person by the end of the episode, you know you screwed up badly.

"THE RECKONING" is one of the ONLY episodes in the entire franchise that gets worse with every rewatch. It used to be the 6th or 7th worst... then 5th... then 4th. Until it finally replaced "PROFIT AND LACE" as the worst.
 
It's the worst because it completely undermines one of THE cornerstones of DS9 (and one of the most important aspects of DS9): Sisko being a great dad.

Sisko willingly allowed his son to stay possessed without trying to rid the Pah-wraith. He was risking his son's life for that battle, and he is watching Jake getting hurt and bleeding and was just standing there. This goes against everything we have seen of the man for those past 6 years, and is just a monumental insult to his character. It's the only episode that actually does some character assassination of him

When Kai Winn looks like the hero and the reasonable person by the end of the episode, you know you screwed up badly.

"THE RECKONING" is one of the ONLY episodes in the entire franchise that gets worse with every rewatch. It used to be the 6th or 7th worst... then 5th... then 4th. Until it finally replaced "PROFIT AND LACE" as the worst.
Strongly put even if I disagree.
 
They could only do that to ships passing through the wormhole.

Which, given what we know about how the wormhole works, means they probably just routed the Dominion fleet into either the future or an alternate dimension.
Why not both!

Imagine if the JJ-verse suddenly had a Dominion Fleet from the Prime Timeline show up to attack them out of no-where.

The StarFleet in that Universe would be surprised, that would make a "Great Movie Premise" since it would be a random surprise crisis.

Kind of like their own version of Pearl Harbor, but with no Warring Nation to deal with.

The original builders of the prison would have used a different way to contain them and the Federation would never have been able to access the prison in the first place.
But what if they couldn't use a different way to contain them, that Multi-Dimensional Space was required to contain them forever?

No, it's actually very consistent by Lower Decks.
Didn't plenty of Officers also get possessed in Lower Decks as well?
 
It's the worst because it completely undermines one of THE cornerstones of DS9 (and one of the most important aspects of DS9): Sisko being a great dad.

Sisko willingly allowed his son to stay possessed without trying to rid the Pah-wraith. He was risking his son's life for that battle, and he is watching Jake getting hurt and bleeding and was just standing there. This goes against everything we have seen of the man for those past 6 years, and is just a monumental insult to his character. It's the only episode that actually does some character assassination of him

When Kai Winn looks like the hero and the reasonable person by the end of the episode, you know you screwed up badly.

"THE RECKONING" is one of the ONLY episodes in the entire franchise that gets worse with every rewatch. It used to be the 6th or 7th worst... then 5th... then 4th. Until it finally replaced "PROFIT AND LACE" as the worst.
It's a good allegory on how otherwise decent parents become abusive once they start becoming religious fanatics
 
SNW could have made the Vezda a brand new antagonist that no one in the future would ever mention like ENT did with the Xindi.
Yet they just took the Gorn and Xenomorphed them and added the Vezda too.
This season felt so disjointed.
 
I gave it 5, thought it was a weak episode. Enemies who are just evil for the sake of evil don't work in Star Trek. It felt derivative of the First Evil from Buffy and all they did was deus ex machina it away without cleverness.

The saving grace of the episode was the thing where she and Pike got to live out a whole life in their minds, but it couldn't save a dull hacky premise.
 
10. Damn well perfect episode. I don't know why this season didn't get the accolades it has coming to it, but i suspect this episode in particular will be very well remembered as the years pile on.
 
So, question: did Batel turn into a Gary Mitchell god-like figure? I figured that was the reason for the focus on the eyes. Anyway, it was an entertaining episode. Pike got the Inner Light treatment to give him the life he'll be denied -- much more satisfying here than in TNG. They're only now embarking on a 5 year mission?
 
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How often does that training include a very fictional / hypothetical Zombie OutBreak?

I know the US Government plans for the Zombie Apocalypse.

It's called "CONPLAN 8888-11", you can Google that.
While I don't doubt the US (or any) government might have a contingency plan for an actual zombie apocalypse, I doubt very much that information about it, or any of their contingency plans are available for civilians to Google.
 
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