Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x10 - "New Life and New Civilizations"

[fireproof78]

They can, technically. Chroniton beams will kill them. But also will kill the Prophets.

(It's why in "THE RECKONING", the chronitons were raised slowly so the Prophet and Pah-wraith can leave Kira and Jake safely without getting killed.)

So... Sisko's sacrifice was BS?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

So... Sisko's sacrifice was BS?

It could be part of his Pre-Ordained Destiny.

Even by the 31st Century, there's a mural stating "What Happened to Benjamin Sisko"?

By the 31st Century, he hasn't returned supposedly.

 

[Farscape One]

So... Sisko's sacrifice was BS?

No. The Fire Caves held them, but it was not widely known. His sacrifice was not in vain.

Remember, Starfleet doesn't take sacred texts and prophecies that seriously. And frankly, why should they? It's all couched in metaphors.

 

[fireproof78]

It could be part of his Pre-Ordained Destiny.

Even by the 31st Century, there's a mural stating "What Happened to Benjamin Sisko"?

By the 31st Century, he hasn't returned supposedly.

So ..BS.

STARFLEET could have delt with it but instead insists upon the heroic sacrifice approach.

No. The Fire Caves held them, but it was not widely known. His sacrifice was not in vain.

Remember, Starfleet doesn't take sacred texts and prophecies that seriously. And frankly, why should they? It's all couched in metaphors.

Because of what happened in Reckoning.

 

[Farscape One]

So ..BS.

STARFLEET could have delt with it but instead insists upon the heroic sacrifice approach.


Because of what happened in Reckoning.

And Starfleet doesn't start off with killing. Chronitons would kill the Pah-wraiths. And until the moment Winn and Dukat did what they did, they were stuck in the Fire Caves.

And as shown in "THE ASSIGNMENT", it's not a simple matter to fire chronitons. It took the entirety of the station. A lone runabout in orbit was not going to do the job.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

So ..BS.

STARFLEET could have delt with it but instead insists upon the heroic sacrifice approach.

You saw how the Command Staff dealt with the Pah-Wraiths when it took over Jake's body.

They weren't willing to sacrifice the Hostage Vessel/Person to get rid of the Energy Being.

Their primary focus was on recovering the Hostage first, then deal with the Energy Being later.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Chronitons

Name of my New Wave band.

 

[The Wormhole]

No clue what that means.

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Actually, I think there is a point to this... how the heck is Kirk just "always in the neighborhood"? He's not even captain of that ship! Is the Farragut just shadowing Enterprise everywhere? Don't they have their own missions? It's so incomprehensible why Kirk was simply around in that awful "4 1/2 Vulcans" episode and also that he just stumbled around as La'an threatened mutiny. And it's incomprehensible why the entire senior staff of the Enterprise only communicates with Kirk on the Farragut? Again, he's not the captain! It's just Akiva Goldsman indulging his own personal need to do a full TOS as a show.

I will agree Kirk being the one they got in contact with to make the arrangements with regarding the Farragut's participation this week was rather contrived, but the rest of is it perfectly cromulent under the conventions of television.

 

[The Rock]

Pretty good season finale.

It felt more like a series finale though (but I'm glad the show is going for two more seasons)!

 

[fireproof78]

And Starfleet doesn't start off with killing. Chronitons would kill the Pah-wraiths. And until the moment Winn and Dukat did what they did, they were stuck in the Fire Caves.

And as shown in "THE ASSIGNMENT", it's not a simple matter to fire chronitons. It took the entirety of the station. A lone runabout in orbit was not going to do the job.

Sure, but this wasn't first contact. They knew what the Pah Wraiths were capable of, and would lend credence to actually make sense of supposed metaphors or mystic texts, but something structured within actually history.

And less this come across as a bash session, this is literally me making connections from the Reckoning to possible outcomes rather than just accept that Sisko's sacrifice was the only option. In my opinion, based upon lore (Gasp!) Sisko and O'Brien should have been better able to work together to deal with the Pah Wraiths, rather than Sisko alone.

You saw how the Command Staff dealt with the Pah-Wraiths when it took over Jake's body.

They weren't willing to sacrifice the Hostage Vessel/Person to get rid of the Energy Being.

Their primary focus was on recovering the Hostage first, then deal with the Energy Being later.

In that incidence, but as Farscape One stated, there was this idea that Starfleet Command was either blind or ignorant to the threat, when they literally had evidence of how to deal with these beings, and, past experience that O'Brien would have first hand awareness of.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

In that incidence, but as Farscape One stated, there was this idea that Starfleet Command was either blind or ignorant to the threat, when they literally had evidence of how to deal with these beings, and, past experience that O'Brien would have first hand awareness of.

It stands to reason that different Energy Beings of different types will be weak to different things.

While Chronitons may be lethal to Worm Hole Aliens / Pah-Wraiths.

Who knows what it'll take to kill a Vezda, much less other types of Energy Beings.

Remember, the Q, while they are Energy Beings that can take Solid Form, they can make weapons that hurt a Q.

Now imagine what kind of power output you would need to hurt a being of that level of power.

It's mind boggling.

 

[fireproof78]

It stands to reason that different Energy Beings of different types will be weak to different things.

While Chronitons may be lethal to Worm Hole Aliens / Pah-Wraiths.

Who knows what it'll take to kill a Vezda, much less other types of Energy Beings.

Remember, the Q, while they are Energy Beings that can take Solid Form, they can make weapons that hurt a Q.

Now imagine what kind of power output you would need to hurt a being of that level of power.

It's mind boggling.

I agree we don't know enough about the Vezda to know their weaknesses, and that the prison was perhaps best suited at the time. I'm just saying that by the 24th century there might be enough information to form a reasonable hypothesis.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I agree we don't know enough about the Vezda to know their weaknesses, and that the prison was perhaps best suited at the time. I'm just saying that by the 24th century there might be enough information to form a reasonable hypothesis.

Well, until the writers decide to tackle the Storyline, it remains solved until then.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, until the writers decide to tackle the Storyline, it remains solved until then.

Yes, but were is the fun in that?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Yes, but were is the fun in that?

=D

I still want to see Power Armor in Star Trek along with Giant Bi-Pedal Mecha.

There are so many things that are not normal to Star Trek that I want to see introduced.

I never thought I would hear the words "Ley Line" uttered in Star Trek, yet here we are.

 

[fireproof78]

=D

I still want to see Power Armor in Star Trek along with Giant Bi-Pedal Mecha.

There are so many things that are not normal to Star Trek that I want to see introduced.

I never thought I would hear the words "Ley Line" uttered in Star Trek, yet here we are.

Well...that was a non sequitur to beat the band.

I was talking about the Vezda and possible stories to manage them.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Well...that was a non sequitur to beat the band.

I was talking about the Vezda and possible stories to manage them.

That's better left to figure out by the writing staff with them since dealing with them also deals with Marie Batel's fate.

Do we want to free her from her confines in the future, if so, who will take her place as the Warden?

How big is the Prison, how many inmates are there?

So many questions to that place.

 

[Farscape One]

Sure, but this wasn't first contact. They knew what the Pah Wraiths were capable of, and would lend credence to actually make sense of supposed metaphors or mystic texts, but something structured within actually history.

And less this come across as a bash session, this is literally me making connections from the Reckoning to possible outcomes rather than just accept that Sisko's sacrifice was the only option. In my opinion, based upon lore (Gasp!) Sisko and O'Brien should have been better able to work together to deal with the Pah Wraiths, rather than Sisko alone.


In that incidence, but as Farscape One stated, there was this idea that Starfleet Command was either blind or ignorant to the threat, when they literally had evidence of how to deal with these beings, and, past experience that O'Brien would have first hand awareness of.

Considering it takes 3 hours by runabout to get to Bajor, runabouts not having that kind of capability (based on what it was going to take in "THE ASSIGNMENT"), and the Pah-wraiths were about to be released, there was no time to come up with something other than what we saw.

 

[fireproof78]

That's better left to figure out by the writing staff with them since dealing with them also deals with Marie Batel's fate

I guess I disagree. But, I'll leave it there.

 

[fireproof78]

Considering it takes 3 hours by runabout to get to Bajor, runabouts not having that kind of capability (based on what it was going to take in "THE ASSIGNMENT"), and the Pah-wraiths were about to be released, there was no time to come up with something other than what we saw.

I guess what I'm looking at is the possibility that such a threat could have been response based upon knowledge from The Reckoning. Yes, Dominion War demanded much more resources but I think it actually makes Starfleet Command look kind of dumb to not consider possible threats within the Pah Wraiths post The Reckoning events.