Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x10 - "New Life and New Civilizations"

[fireproof78]

What episode did they move it in?
"Post Atomic Horror" is related to WW3, seperated from the Eugenics War in the 1990's.

The Eugenics Wars and World War 3 are the same in TOS.

If not Gene, who else?

Or maybe it might've been in an alternate Timeline all along because TOS has critical events taking place in different time frames compared to SNW.
It doesn't change the enjoyment factor of SNW either.

Because Gene held in his TMP novelization that TOS wasn't literal history.

Different Timeline continuities would help answer for any historical mistakes.

It can and may you find that way as pleasant.

I'll continue to enjoy things like MASH despite anachronisms and inaccuracies.

 

[Noname Given]

The "USS Discovery" was the "USS Trauma".
The SNW Enterprise is the "USS Feelings".

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And on TNG the 1701 D was the USS Mannequin.

Crewed by supposedly 'well adjusted' but emotionless mannequins who only showed emotion when they were under the control of alien influence or somehow reliving some past trauma that they didn't know they had until it's surfaced.

 

[fireproof78]

And on TNG the 1701 D was the USS Mannequin.

Crewed by supposedly 'well adjusted' but emotionless mannequins who only showed emotion when they were under the control of alien influence or somehow reliving some past trauma that they didn't know they had until it's surfaced.

I believe that is how many would prefer humans to be. Conceal, don't feel, don't let it show. Don't care about the mind of the other, just show up and do your job. Leave all pain aside for your duty. Work is life. Better yourself and all of humanity.

 

[Nyotarules]

I believe that is how many would prefer humans to be. Conceal, don't feel, don't let it show. Don't care about the mind of the other, just show up and do your job. Leave all pain aside for your duty. Work is life. Better yourself and all of humanity.

No wonder they had a shrink on board

 

[Starflight]

Most of the other contradictions have in-universe explanations that fans can imagine. I'm struggling to think of an in-universe explanation for why Spock would claim in TOS that he never melded with a human before, because I find it very hard to believe that he would forget melding with Kirk. And if he's lying, there's just no reason for Spock to lie to McCoy in that particular scene. I'm struggling to find an explanation that fits and that's in character.

The Metrons may have to reset Spock's perception of mind melds.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

The Eugenics Wars and World War 3 are the same in TOS.

I suppose the former could refer just to battles involving augments, while the latter refers to unrest between non-augmented people and countries without the augments' leadership taking place around the same time, lines occasionally blurred.

 

[fireproof78]

I suppose the former could refer just to battles involving augments, while the latter refers to unrest between non-augmented people and countries without the augments' leadership taking place around the same time, lines occasionally blurred.

It could but it's not how McCoy and Spock spoke of it.

Now, Spock notes records of the period are fragmentary; not enough though for Scotty and Kirk to both know about Khan from history. So while there is some wiggle room, the presentation of the Eugenics Wars and World War 3 as one in the same is clear from dialog.

 

[Noname Given]

No wonder they had a shrink on board

And she wasn't a very good one. Too often all she could feel was "great pain".

She was also good at announcing the obvious to the audience, such as after a Romulan ship unleashing a barrage of Disruptor fire saying things like:

" I sense hostility..."

Yeah, no sh*t.

 

[cooleddie74]

Oddly enough, one of her more competent moments as ship's counselor is in a deleted scene from the Scotty episode of TNG, and even in that one she gets told to buzz off because he doesn't need a shrink.

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[Danja]

Conceal, don't feel, don't let it show.

*** singing ***

But now they knoooow.

Let it go.
Let it go.
I am one with the wind and skyyy ...


What?

 

[Starflight]

re: WW3 - Perhaps it's fair to say that TOS was free to invent major historical events and then never mention them again (or outright contradict them later) because it didn't care about its own internal continuity and was more interested in big, impressionistic storytelling. This was, in my view, a very good thing.

SNW meanwhile insists on positioning itself as a prequel and tying itself into "canon", down to invoking the most minor shit from TOS, so every perceived "canon violation" is going to stand out. It's part of why I really wish the next Star Trek series would have an all-original crew and ship, and pay no mind whatsoever to past shows.

 

[Danja]

SNW meanwhile insists on positioning itself as a prequel and tying itself into "canon", down to invoking the most minor shit from TOS, so every perceived "canon violation" is going to stand out. It's part of why I really wish the next Star Trek series would have an all-original crew and ship, and pay no mind whatsoever to past shows.

Disco tried it.

The fans screamed, "But what about cAnON?" So they brought in Pike and Spock.

 

[fireproof78]

: WW3 - Perhaps it's fair to say that TOS was free to invent major historical events and then never mention them again (or outright contradict them later) because it didn't care about its own internal continuity and was more interested in big, impressionistic storytelling. This was, in my view, a very good thing.

In my view this is why it is the best.

SNW meanwhile insists on positioning itself as a prequel and tying itself into "canon", down to invoking the most minor shit from TOS, so every perceived "canon violation" is going to stand out. It's part of why I really wish the next Star Trek series would have an all-original crew and ship, and pay no mind whatsoever to past shows.

And this is why things like TNG and VOY appeal less. They would throw in little things to reassure they're really Star Trek. Picard Season 3 suffered the same and SNW has flirted with it too.

No other Trek series is confident enough to stand on its own since TOS.

 

[UssGlenn]

Bullshit. Supposedly best friends and taught by Kirk at the Academy and godlike Gary gets it wrong?

I liked the explanation from the My Brother's Keeper novel trilogy. Jim and Gary had a running joke about Kirk's middle name, but it always started with R. "Racquetball is my middle name", then later "Rhinoceros".

 

[Yistaan]

No other Trek series is confident enough to stand on its own since TOS.

Star Trek Scouts

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I'll continue to enjoy things like MASH despite anachronisms and inaccuracies.

You do that.

 

[Fateor]

I've seen a bit of discussion about how the writers of this season seem to take a very black and white view towards both destiny and the inherit nature of individuals. This episode continues that trend with the enemy here being "the primordial evil in the galaxy" and Batel being some sort of weird malgimation of every good force to oppose it. The bad guys are bad and she is pure good so it is her destiny to fight it. It's a really bizarre melodramatic viewpoint that I found incredibly uninteresting to explore. I get that these villains might not be a good vehicle for exploring nuance, but it's the continuation to the sort of message they've had with the Vulcan episodes

I feel the need to point out here that the characters aren't omniscient narrators and this is one of those cases where we as the viewers know more about what's likely going on then the characters themselves.

They had at least four different things that will not be understood until the future that I caught with a single watch.

1) An area that exists outside of time like the Bajoran Wormhole.

2) Subspace corridors between planets.

3) A powerful invading race from one one of the many subspace layers with unusual abilities.

4) Batel being exposed to a bunch of bullshit and going Gary Mitchell. (Note, they even did an updated version of the eye thing he had going on.)

But of course, the SNW crew would only have their own context to go on with things, so made up some bullshit to try and explain it.

 

[Noname Given]

Oddly enough, one of her more competent moments as ship's counselor is in a deleted scene from the Scotty episode of TNG, and even in that one she gets told to buzz off because he doesn't need a shrink.

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I will freely admit Deanna Troi was written as a competent Counselor once:

PICARD S1: The episode where Picard visits Riker and Troi on the Forrest planet where they settled with their daughter.

 

[NCC-73515]

DUDE! YES! The people were put into those capsules as well! So that would make total sense!

It's been a while, which capsules?

The brain is faster than a computer.

For synchronizing phasers?!

"this feels like fantasy writers were forced to write science fiction".

Exactly.

Continuity Error--

Spock claims he's never mind melded with a human in TOS Dagger of the Mind. This was already shaken with Spock mind melding with the Red Angel who ultimately was a human in Discovery, but there was wiggle room if Spock considered that a true human mind meld with the red angel suit and all. This was also shaken when he mind melded with La'an in Memento Mori and presumably the Vulcan episode, but even THAT had wiggle room as logically La'an may be counted as an augment not a human (and La'an technically was a Vulcan in the Vulcan episode). But continuity is torpedoed completely with Spock mind melding with human James Kirk in this episode. Maybe everything after Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow (where the Eugenics Wars were shifted) really is an alternate timeline (or a "close enough" timeline).

It made me wonder if Kirk was supposed to be familiar with melds before TOS or if it was a new thing for him

Also, nitpick, but did they say that two starships could output the same amount of power as a Sol-type star?

That is pretty ridiculous. Exactly where is that power coming from? Our Sun converts over 4 million tonnes of matter to energy every second. Pretty sure neither Enterprise nor Farragut has a 10 million tonne fuel tank.

(It doesn't matter than it's fusion vs matter-antimatter, E=mc^2 doesn't care)

Yeah, who needs Dyson spheres?

I think season 3 has been mostly misunderstood and underappreciated... I think that in about 10 years, people will look back at this season as a gem. I felt it had an awesome balance of drama, humor and out-of-the-box formats. It featured some great new concepts and alien races (The Jikaru, The Vezda), and some awesome additions to canon (Kirk taking command of the Farragut, etc.). I know there's this populistic tendency to hate on this season, even though I realise that some people have grounded, well thought out criticism (which is valid, even though I disagree). But the 'hate for the sake of hate'-crowd have unfortunately dominated the comment sections and social media channels...

I reminds me a lot of VOY and ENT back in the late '90's and the first half of the 2000's. Those shows were hated immensely back than, just as Berman and Braga were hated... Nowadays, those shows are considered 'classic, REAL Trek'... So people will come around... Someday SNW S3 will get the credit it well deserves...

Only if later seasons are worse. Disco 1 and 2 have gained (for some) because 3-5 were worse. VOY gained when Seven gave them fresh, interesting stories, and ENT gained with S3 and 4.

 

[Fateor]

(It doesn't matter than it's fusion vs matter-antimatter, E=mc^2 doesn't care)

Einstein was proved wrong long ago in Star Trek.