Which makes sense as we approach The Original Series. Plus it's nice to actually give these characters a little backstory and fill them out as actual character.
FTFY
Not really. Not much worse than any other series.
(But it really did)
Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?
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It would’ve been nice to have seen their lives before becoming attached to the Enterprise. They still don’t exist as anything beyond that connection.
If we had seen their worlds, their lives before being bonded for all eternity would’ve been nice.
SNW is worse than other series .
Unless they mention a specific date the Eugenics War was not moved. Saying 21st century is literally 3-4 years away from the end of the war.. So maybe it was rounded up. But a specific year was not mentioned in TNG. It was one throwaway line. But In SNW it was literally changed to present day. Khan was born in the 2020's. Im not saying the Berman series didn't do any minor retconning or have errors because that would be completely silly to think that. But they never retconned characters or events to the level I have seen with SNW. Maybe we should make a canon thread....
DSC and PIC were downright horrible.
I've seen one season of SNW so far and it looked OK, the least terrible Star Trek I've seen in years. But obviously people don't seem so happy about the later seasons.
Prodigy is a cartoon. Cute and somewhat likeable but still a cartoon.
As for SFA, I thought it would be a series in the 24th century.
But when i read that it was based on DSC, the worst Star trek series ever, thei I felt a certain loss of interest. However, i will take a looka t it, but if it's as bad as DSC and PIC, then I'll probably quit after 5-6 episodes.
I still watch TOS, TNG, DS9 and the first three seasons of VOY. To be honest, I rather watch Duet or Cold Fire for the 100 time that watch one more episode of DSC.
And yes, comparing a series which a rock band is a bit accurate when it coes to sellouts and adapting to stupid trends.
Not to mention that I find it downright tragic when I have to check with Memory Beta everytime I become interested in some Star Trek book due to the ongoing destruction of characters from TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY.
Just wait and se what happens if Star Trek lose those loyal fans.
TNG was different from TOS. But it was of high class and had likeable characters and good stories, something which can't vbe said or written about DSC and PIC.
I agree.You can't fairly compare 1987 to today. That was the first new Star Trek that had nothing to do with TOS. When I first saw it I liked it a lot, there were a small few things I didn't like. (Things that were improved on as the season progressed) But overall I enjoyed it very much. It only got better of course and by the end of the season I had a new Star Trek to be obsessed with. It respected TOS and it's Films. The series that followed were just as almost as good, just as good or better. Today???? Well I can say Its been 7 years of new productions and I don't have the same feelings at all. Except for Picard Season 3 everything else has been a very mixed bag with holes....
I can assure you that Trek from 2009-2025 will never have the following that previous Treks did.
Well that's the thing..why is SNW for example constantly mining other shows??? It should have been its own thing from the beginning. Except for a few elements it should have been totally different. But here we have almost the entire TOS crew, constant references to stuff that is just plain weird. (Holodeck) Constant retconning etc. but what do I hear over here at the BBS???? Well TNG retconned the Eugenics war year (which it really did not)
and TOS had errors it's first season blah blah blah......
All to try and justify SNW's complete and utter disregard for canon.
I watched the first season of SNW and thought it was OK. Has it become worse in later seasons?SNW is worse than other series .
Unless they mention a specific date the Eugenics War was not moved. Saying 21st century is literally 3-4 years away from the end of the war.. So maybe it was rounded up. But a specific year was not mentioned in TNG. It was one throwaway line. But In SNW it was literally changed to present day. Khan was born in the 2020's. Im not saying the Berman series didn't do any minor retconning or have errors because that would be completely silly to think that. But they never retconned characters or events to the level I have seen with SNW. Maybe we should make a canon thread....
I would guess that it would be no different from when ENT got cancelled because those loyal fans stopped watching it. Someone else eventually took over, and made shitloads of money for Paramount with his movies that catered to the casual moviegoing audience, and not the 'loyal fans.'
There's been a noticeable change in direction, there's an inordinate focus on Spock's romantic engagements now, a bit more fanwank than the first season had, and the tone is generally shifting more toward something akin to YA drama. They seem to be setting up a few concurrent serialised arcs now too, though it's not clear where it'll lead or how it'll be handled.
Only way to know if you'll like it is to watch it and see for yourself. The second season still has a few standout episodes.
All hail holy canon!Well that's the thing..why is SNW for example constantly mining other shows??? It should have been its own thing from the beginning. Except for a few elements it should have been totally different. But here we have almost the entire TOS crew, constant references to stuff that is just plain weird. (Holodeck) Constant retconning etc. but what do I hear over here at the BBS???? Well TNG retconned the Eugenics war year (which it really did not)
and TOS had errors it's first season blah blah blah......
All to try and justify SNW's complete and utter disregard for canon.
Re: the Eugenics War - does SNW retcon it? I don't think it does, it actually tries to tie together a bunch of disparate stuff from previous series. Pike suggests that the conflict that came to be known as WW3 involved various stages, beginning with the Eugenics War (which could easily be in the 1990s, from the way he refers to it) and then became an amalgamation of conflicts leading to nuclear exchanges.
I always thought the nuclear war was one of the dumbest things TNG came up with and tend to just ignore it, but in terms of SNW's handling with it, I think it's pretty unassailable - it just tries to tie together everything that's already been said on-screen about the 1990s - 2070s period.
I always thought the nuclear war was one of the dumbest things TNG came up with and tend to just ignore it, but in terms of SNW's handling with it, I think it's pretty unassailable - it just tries to tie together everything that's already been said on-screen about the 1990s - 2070s period.
All power to the engines.
If Discovery was truly the worst, we wouldn't have gotten two spinoffs out of it. Like it or not, people seemed to like it.
Sometimes, the day you enjoyed with something is over. It becomes time to find a new something to engage your heart and mind.
This is an underrated novel!
As patches go it's servicable.
They could have just left it alone. Seriously. They really didn't need to go back and rewrite "history". It was a choice.
Has SNW become worse??? I think so. I enjoyed it to a decent degree the first season. I didn't like what they did to Spock but overall it wasn't bad. Season 2 and 3 are not all that good IMO. I'm trying to give it a chance but it just has not been that enjoyable for me. The last weeks episode was probably the best of the season but it had its issues.
Obviously people stopped watching it because it was bad.
As for the movies, they are almost forgotten now and the "fans" who were attracted to them are waching other boring 2020's movies now.
I will probably watch it but it isn't top priority for me.
Canon is necessary, otherwise it would be chaos.
But canon can sometimes be obstructive too.
In that case it might be necessary to bend the rules a little.
If people liked DSC and PIC, I see it as evidence for the bad taste in the 2010's and 2020's.
Well, when I finally quit watching VOY after a certain episode and abandoned ENT after 5 episodes, there were a lot to watch. NCIS was at its prime, there were the CSI series, Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis and lot to watch. Then I got the wonderful opportunity of seeing DS) from start to finish which was a wonderful experience.
But now...........nothing!
Just doom and gloom, gore, stupid exaggerated actions and bad characters.
I can't even count how many series I've started to watch and then quit after a few episodes because it bored me or the characters were unlikeable.
That's hilarious. It must be something wrong with them for liking things someone else doesn't like.
Take that, diversity!
I watch Kelvin films as often as TOS. The two stand as my preferred rewatching Trek.
So being a 'loyal fan' has nothing to do with what TPTB produce then.
That doesn't change the point that someone new came along after Trek was dead in the water and reinvigorated it both for previous fans and for new ones. Which, you know, has happened before, and will happen again, to borrow a phrase from another sci-fi franchise.
It appears that they sort of forgot about it in Picard. WW3 and the "post-atomic horror" seemed to have slipped their minds when they left poor Rios back in the 21st century.
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