Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?

[Tallguy]

Not ever show can be Andor, not even other Star Wars shows. Probably best to stop holding Andor as the paragon all entertainment should strive to be. Sure, it's a great show, but we'll gain nothing if everyone starts trying to emulate it.

Yeah, I wish people (both the regular people and the people who might look to Andor as an example) would see Andor as what a show CAN be rather than as a blueprint for what to do.

Imagine a Star Trek that looked that good, had that much talent, and had such dedicated view of what its universe could be?

 

[fireproof78]

Imagine a Star Trek that looked that good, had that much talent, and had such dedicated view of what its universe could be?

Still be hated.

 

[fireproof78]

"That puppy is a woke leftist SJW trying to bring about the collapse of democracy!"

No, it's clearly a fascist capitalist war monger entrenching canine norms and the puppyarchy.

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[Grizzlor]

Well, Star Trek series will never have the budget anything Star Wars has had, even the bad ones. I felt Lower Decks was the most clever and enjoyable Trek series since DS9, and they shelved it.

 

[bdub76]

Not every show can be Andor, not even other Star Wars shows. Probably best to stop holding Andor as the paragon all entertainment should strive to be. Sure, it's a great show, but we'll gain nothing if everyone starts trying to emulate it.

It's science fiction.

There are a lot of other non-science fiction shows and books that I hold much higher than Andor with much lower budgets. It's the best thing I have seen lately science fiction wise that's been good. Before that I really enjoyed the Expanse.

For films, most of the good stuff coming out these days are indie movies. I'd rather watch an A24 movie than almost everything being put out by the major studios these days. However, Apple feels like the exception to the rule these days. I'm looking forward to both Eternity and Lost Bus more than the new Tron movie.

 

[Set Harth]

"That puppy is a woke leftist SJW trying to bring about the collapse of democracy!"

He knows what he did.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, Star Trek series will never have the budget anything Star Wars has had, even the bad ones. I felt Lower Decks was the most clever and enjoyable Trek series since DS9, and they shelved it.

They shelve everything at 5 seasons now, except Picard which was only slated 3.

 

[bdub76]

They shelve everything at 5 seasons now, except Picard which was only slated 3.

They also canceled Evil. I feel like there is now a clear limit for how many seasons a show will run for on streaming services.

 

[ananta]

To be honest, I have put Trek to rest. I’ve not bothered signing up again to P+ to watch the new season of SNW, the second season jumped the shark for me. I will likely check out SA when it arrives, but I’m just not excited as I would have been in the past for new Trek.

I guess I’m a little burnt out and checked out from Trek. But I feel that way about just about every other franchise I grew up with right now. So much content and I’m just not seeing much creative talent at the helm. We live in a world where “content” is king. They won’t let the old franchises die…and in some cases they need a mercy killing. I’m just glad Trek isn’t in as terrible a state as Dr Who or Star Wars. But it’s far from at its peak in my regretful opinion.

 

[fireproof78]

To be honest, I have put Trek to rest. I’ve not bothered signing up again to P+ to watch the new season of SNW,

Smart idea right here.

 

[XCV330]

Technology wise the creative teams hands would be tied from the getgo, thanks to Discovery showing us no real tech growth for eight centuries.

maybe even regression. I imagine a centuries long time-war (hot and cold) must have led to a lot of devastation to everyone involved. the time jump and repairing "the burn" at least delivers a bit of a tabula rasa. Which would be a great, except judging from the wall of heroes thing on the Academy Trailer we're at risk of being treated to Trek writers drinking 60 years of their own collective bathwater. I was hoping we could avoid that by not getting Legacy.

 

[Lynx]

I am beginning to think the franchise has nothing left to really offer. Well for me at least for me. Out of all the live action stuff over the last 7 or 8 years. Most of it has been pretty bland/bad to me. With maybe a season and a half of Disco, 1 season of SNW and 1 season of Picard. That I enjoyed to varying degrees.
Everything else I have not really enjoyed. Lower decks was just too inane for me. Only watched one ep of prodigy and they took it off streaming.

Lots of missteps imo the last 8 years. But it just seems like the franchise has run out of steam. I constantly find myself watching the older stuff or finding new scifi fantasy shows that offer something a bit different and unique. Or just plain watching more non scifi stuff now.

But after almost 50 years of some type of Trek in production almost every year (except maybe between Enterprise and the 2009 film) it's gotten pretty stale to me. There are almost 1000 episodes of Trek not to mention like 14 movies.

Many its just my age. Idk.....
But getting old doesn't explain why I love Star Wars Andor...

No, I don't think so.
But there's a risk if they continue to mess it up like they have did in the last 20 years.

TOS was the beginning which established the whole wonderful Star Trek Universe with its greatt characters and great stories.

Then came TNG which re-vitalized Star Trek by expanding it and coming up with great characters, interesting species, interesting stories and interesting plots.

Then we had DS9 and VOY which further expanded the Trek Universe with great characters and good stories.

But after that...................nothing!

Honestly, not much good has happened after VOY's season three.

A lot of retro stuff where they have managed to mess upp established Trek history and timelines but nothing new and constructive at all.

No continuity, nothing to build on. It looks like a bunch of small kids running round in a schoolyard ins ome senseless game.

ENT was a downright disaster. the NuTrek movies were stale, only attempts to squeeze everything profitable out of TOS. DSC was the worst ever, PIC a huge disappointement gloomy and boring. The rest haven't been that interesting either. SNW was sort of OK but still just a bleak copy of TOS.

But Star Trek as a concept has a lot which could be built on. It's time for someone to step forward and make it great again.

 

[Danja]

We've had animated comedy Star Trek, animated kids Star Trek, goofy prequel hijinks Star Trek, bizarre grimdark/therapy Star Trek, grumpy old pitch-black nostalgia Star Trek and whatever the hell Section 31 was. It's not that I didn't like any of them, but I'm eager to get some regular Star Trek back.

Define "regular Star Trek."

 

[fireproof78]

But Star Trek as a concept has a lot which could be built on. It's time for someone to step forward and make it great again.

Define great Trek.


I'll go first. "Trouble with Tribbles." Comedy show with a mystery and Kirk looks ridiculous as he solves the problem. Build off of that.

 

[Tallguy]

Define "regular Star Trek."

TMP.

 

[BillJ]

TMP.

I’d say that is pretty far from TOS, which was much more an action format. Love the movie, but there is something of a disconnect between it and TOS.

I’ve always said that TMP is the best TNG movie.

 

[1001001]

Whatever you guys are smoking, pass some over here!

 

[BillJ]

Whatever you guys are smoking, pass some over here!

Best way to pass the time!

 

[Dar70]

I’d say that is pretty far from TOS, which was much more an action format. Love the movie, but there is something of a disconnect between it and TOS.

I’ve always said that TMP is the best TNG movie.

Wait...WHAT??


I actually think it's the closest to TOS of any film or series since. TOS has plenty of non action episodes. I also love TMP...

 

[fireproof78]

I’d say that is pretty far from TOS, which was much more an action format. Love the movie, but there is something of a disconnect between it and TOS.

I’ve always said that TMP is the best TNG movie.

Indeed, yes. TMP feels very deliberately different from TOS and it's conventions. There are a lot of deaths and tragedies even before the crew is back together and there is a rigidness to the performances that don't line up with Kirk and Spock.

Yes, it's deliberately different. That's my point.

The story is straight from TOS but the presentation is anything but.